After October 7 and the war in Gaza, the world’s discourse became more polarized than ever. But amid the devastation, Maoz Inon—an Israeli peace activist who lost his parents in the Hamas attack—and Aziz Abu Sarah—a Palestinian activist who lost his brother to the conflict—are refusing to let violence define the future.
In this episode, we talk about grief, identity, and what it really takes to break the cycle of hate. How do you push for peace when everything around you is telling you it’s impossible?
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00:00 Introduction
01:34 Maoz on recognizing Palestinian narratives
04:43 Aziz on recognizing Israeli narratives
09:50 October 7
11:58 How did Maoz and Aziz meet
15:40 Aziz on growing up under occupation
21:05 Aziz reaches out to Maoz after Oct. 7
25:50 The desire for revenge
29:00 Aziz on the war in Gaza
35:17 Maoz and Aziz on pushback
41:00 Plan for peace by 2030
46:30 Building Israeli political will
49:09 Building Palestinian political will
55:00 What can people do?
57:55 Vision for future Israel and Palestine
59:05 Timour Gregory closing thoughts