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  • Daily Update

     

    ...it was a common thing

    Thursday exchange "8 Minutes" all about today, tomorrow and the new print story this Saturday, December 18, 2021


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    Rockton Wye was gateway to rest of world

    By Bob Cudmore

              A recent column about the Rockton Wye section of Amsterdam prompted this query from Amtrak engineer and rail fan Paul Larner,  “Are you aware of the origin of the name Rockton Wye?”

              A native of Gloversville, Larner is working on a history book about the Fonda, Johnstown & Gloversville Railroad (F.J. & G.).

    The Rockton Wye is the intersection of Clizbe Avenue, Lyon Street, Hewitt Street and Northern Boulevard.  A “wye” in railroad terms is a track configuration resembling a triangle with each point leading to a different route. 

              The F.J. & G. was a traditional railroad linking the cities in its name along with branch lines to Broadalbin and Northville.  In the 1890s, the railroad also established electric trolley lines in Johnstown and Gloversville. 

    The electric trolley car came to the Carpet City with the Amsterdam Street Railway Company in 1890.  By 1901, the line expanded to Rockton and some pictures show trolleys with the name Amsterdam & Rockton Street Railway.  In 1902, the line was extended to Hagaman.  Also in 1902, the Amsterdam trolley company was acquired by the F.J. & G.     

    Starting in 1911, the three way intersection known as the Rockton Wye was built to connect the F.J. & G. trolley lines that went from the Rockton Wye to Hagaman, Amsterdam’s Vrooman Avenue and Market Street in the city.

    Larner wrote, “The track configuration at that point permitted the trolleys to run direct to and from Hagaman via either the original line up Market Street Hill or via Vrooman Avenue and also, by a connecting track, directly around the city, hence the term "belt" line. 

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    “Stockholders of the railroad had interests in electric power, real estate and industry besides providing local transportation.  Trolleys ran both directions around the "belt" offering the new residents of that area a convenient means of getting to Main Street, their employment, local recreation areas and the world via the New York Central Railroad.  As an aside, those new homes in Rockton would use electricity generated by a company in which the president of the F.J. & G. had a principal interest.” 

    Larner said there were problems with trolleys that had to climb the severe grade on Vrooman Avenue.

    “One was never quite sure when the car wouldn't be able to make the turn at East Main Street descending, or, equally as dangerous, when the car wouldn't be able to get up the hill, sliding back to East Main,” Larner said.  “Men were employed by the railroad to place sand on the rails when conditions required additional traction.  As an additional safety measure, the cars were equipped with magnetic brakes. 

    “By relocating the junction with East Main Street west to Lark Street and using Forbes Street to avoid part of the hill, much of the danger was eliminated.

    Some of your most experienced readers may be able to share firsthand accounts of riding that line.” 

    The Vrooman Avenue line was abandoned in 1928.  All F.J. & G. electric trolley service ended in 1938, supplanted by bus transportation.  And whether bus service will continue in Amsterdam continues to be a story in the local news today.

    “I suppose otherwise the Rockton Wye was unremarkable,” Larner concluded.  “Created as a function of providing trolley transportation for the growing city, it is interesting that the term is being carried on.  The rails embedded in the ground at the location of the wye, the bridge abutments across the creek and the curve from Vrooman into Forbes are reminders of the early days in Amsterdam when you could hop on a trolley and travel to find your future.”

    Tomorrow, Friday, December 17, 2021

    #401

    ...including "We shall not be Moved"

    Musicians Cosby Gibson and Tom Staudle have a new CD and concert featuring history songs about the labor union movement in America.

    Mohawk Valley Weather, Thursday, December 16, 2021

    Rain will end this morning as a warm front lifts north of the
    region. Drier and warm conditions expected this afternoon. Record
    warm maximum temperatures will likely occur with breezy conditions
    developing. A cold front will moves across the region tonight with
    scattered showers. It will turn cooler behind the front for
    Friday with a gusty northwest wind, but temperatures will remain
    above normal. A low pressure system approaching from the Ohio
    Valley will bring snow and mixed precipitation to our region
    Saturday into Saturday night.

    Speaking of "in the Bank"

    December 16

    1930 in Clinton, Indiana

    Robber of banks Herman Lamm and members are killed by a posse of 200 following a bad idea bank robbery

    Mohawk Valley News Links, Thursday, December 16, 2021

    Daily Gazette 

    Amsterdam, Land Bank partner with hopes to rehab 10 blighted homes
    AMSTERDAM — The city has selected additional blighted properties for inclusion in a state grant application that could lead to…

    Future of Schenectady Greenmarket trolley uncertain
    SCHENECTADY — The future of the Schenectady Greenmarket trolley service is uncertain following the conclusion of a pilot program launched earlier…

    https://dailygazette.com/

     
    Amsterdam Recorder 

    Canajoharie boys basketball holds off Northville, 50-42

    By James A. Ellis

    NORTHVILLE — In the opening half of Wednesday’s Western Athletic Conference game...

    https://www.recordernews.com/

    Leader Herald

    Antonucci wants zoning change to expand Gloversville business

    by Jason Subik

    https://www.leaderherald.com/

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  • Daily Update

     

    ...as a result, no one has done the whole story

    From the Archives-Episode 44, January 23, 2015 Richard Norton Smith author of “On His Own Terms: A Life of Nelson Rockefeller.” Wednesday, December 15, 2021 Podcast "40 Minutes"

    From acclaimed historian Richard Norton Smith comes the definitive life of an American icon: Nelson Rockefeller - one of the most complex and compelling figures of the 20th century.

    Fourteen years in the making, this magisterial biography of the original Rockefeller Republican draws on thousands of newly available documents and over 200 interviews, including Rockefeller’s own unpublished reminiscences.

    Grandson of oil magnate John D. Rockefeller, Nelson coveted the White House from childhood.

    The electric trolley car came to the Carpet City with the Amsterdam Street Railway Company in 1890--Tomorrow, Thursday, December 16, 2021-From the Archives of Focus on History

    Just Out this Friday, if you can say that...

    December 17, 2021

    Songs include-Sit Down, Joe Hill and 8 Hours

    Episode 401-Musicians Cosby Gibson and Tom Staudle have a new CD and concert featuring history songs about the labor union movement in America.

    Mohawk Valley Weather, Wednesday, December 15, 2021

    Very long range Mohawk Valley Weather as we travel to December 25--on Tuesday, December 21 the NWS reports Partly Sunny, High 37--Update tomorrow.

    Today

    A chance of rain, mainly after 2pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 43. Southeast wind 5 to 8 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible.
    Tonight
    Rain, mainly before 5am. Low around 36. Southeast wind 5 to 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New precipitation amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch possible.
    Thursday
    Partly sunny, with a high near 62. South wind 5 to 8 mph.
     
    It was December 15
    1791
    The United States Bill of Rights becomes law when ratified by the Virginia General Assembly
     
    Mohawk Valley News Headlines, Wednesday, December 15, 2021

    Daily Gazette

    Pandemic significantly worse in NY since Thanksgiving, Hochul says
    ALBANY — Gov. Kathy Hochul took to the airwaves Tuesday to defend her recent countermeasures against COVID, which include a…

    https://dailygazette.com/

     
    Amsterdam Recorder

    Amsterdam police: Scammers apparently trying to take advantage in holiday season

    AMSTERDAM — Weeks into the holiday season, city police are warning residents amidst the “giving...

    https://www.recordernews.com/

    Leader Herald

    Johnstown water plant operator says he will rescind resignation if city disbands Water Board

    by Andrew Waite

    https://www.leaderherald.com/

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The Historians is a weekly audio interview podcast that features authors and other guests who discuss the rich heritage of the Mohawk Valley NY region and the nation.