We continue our deep dive from episode one on how PAGA, the “sue-your-boss-law” in California, ever came to be. President + CEO Jot Condie sits in as host for the discussion. You’ll hear directly from Benjamin Ebbink, the former Assembly labor consultant who wrote the analysis, and David Lanier, the former Secretary of Labor under Governor Jerry Brown who was able to get minor reforms.

Make sure you’ve listened to episode 1 for the first half of this conversation.

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