It's another full episode as Kristen, Sylvia, and guest Michele Freeman tackle subjects ranging from suicide prevention to meditation to someone's dislike for yellow M&Ms. Dr. Michele Freeman began her career as a corrections officer in Las Vegas in 1992. In 2011, she was elevated to the position of Chief of the City of Las Vegas Public Safety, and she served in that role until her retirement in 2020. Since "retiring," Michele earned a doctorate's degree in public policy from the University of Nevada. She attended the FBI National Academy with Kristen, where they bonded over Twizzlers, tank tops, and bangs. 

Kristen and Sylvia discuss women in policing and why not enough of them gravitate to the profession. Both former police chiefs, they discuss feeling the need to do more than their male counterparts to advance, how gender roles may still affect the way women approach the profession, and what can be done to get more women to not only join the profession but also aspire to leadership positions. 

From a chance meeting on a Southwest flight from Arizona to Chicago, Bob Peshak met Sylvia and a friendship immediately blossomed, although Kristen was a little suspicious at the beginning. Bob is the General Manager of Envirosure, which is an environmental, health, and safety (EHS) compliance service company based in Tempe, Arizona. As Sylvia learned on the airplane, and as you will learn, Bob has an infectious and enthusiastic personality, and the number one thing he looks for when he hires people ... is happiness. He hires happy people. 

Kristen and Sylvia visit with Carmen Navarro Gercone, a Chicago native who has worked in law enforcement since 1994. Carmen was sworn-in as a Deputy Sheriff for the Cook County Sheriff's Office. During her tenure, she was promoted through the ranks to become the first Assistant Executive Director for Court Services. She led a department of approximately 1,100 sworn officers and 200 civilian employees with around-the-clock operations, including the service of orders of protections, evictions, and the security of the courthouses throughout Cook County. Recently, Carmen lost a series of court battles that will prevent her from being a candidate on the ballot for Sheriff of Cook County.

Some leaders are full of substance, and others are hollow bunnies. Kristen Ziman and Sylvia Moir have had both as they rose through the ranks to eventually become police chiefs in their respective departments. They'll share what they've learned and talk with other industry leaders in conversations that will frequently devolve from focused to fun.