A conversation with the host of the Symbolic World and Orthodox icon carver, Jonathan Pageau.

0:00 - Coming up

1:00 - Introducing the interview and topic of Patriarchy

2:31 - What has Jonathan been up to, especially Mt Athos visit

8:34 - The ideals and pragmatics of Patriarchy

14:34 - Patriarchy as a pattern of reality

20:00 - On female priests in Christianity

23:33 - Feminine and masculine in the sacraments

26:07 - Marriage as the testing ground of aligning with patterns of reality

28:47 - How to lead as a father in modern society

31:15 - Directing your sexual energy as vital to earning your salvation

33:05 - The temptation for men to hand over the priestly role to their partner

36:30 - How to navigate leading your family with compassion and courage

40:20 - Work - life balance

42:50 - Jonathan's social media engagement

43:30 - Paternal love - through spiritual fatherhood and brotherhood

46:00 - Men in Jonathans parish, circle of friends and family

49:00 - The risk of isolation and stagnation as men age

52:40 - Jonathan's relationship with Jordan Peterson

54:00 - Depth vs breadth in friendships

58:32 - Sins of the right and anger as a power

1:01:35 - The approach of Fr Josiah Trenham and learning obedience

1:05:05 - Taking confession and communion every week as a practice

1:07:35 - Jonathan on and off the pedestal

1:09:54 - A short interlude on Maniphesto

1:11:04 - The balance between sharing publically and staying private

1:16:05 - On The Priesthood and man's priestly role is his family

1:23:22 - What we can learn from military hierarchy

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