The Inclusive AF Podcast

General purpose AI can be more biased than humans. AI built for hiring can widen the candidate slate and raise quality at the same time. Tina Shah Paikeday, Senior Advisor for Responsible AI at Findem, has tested both, and she explains what HR leaders should check before they buy.

Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn get into how to vet an AI hiring tool, why only about 5% of CHROs have real AI fluency, what new laws mean for anyone using automated hiring decisions, and how recruiters move from order taker to consultant.

Key Takeaways

General purpose AI draws on vast, unstructured data, and in Tina's testing it produced more bias than humans.

AI built specifically for recruiting can widen candidate slates and raise quality at the same time.

What goes into the data and the algorithm decides what comes out. Ask every vendor how theirs was built.

Hiring teams now need AI to sort through the flood of AI written applications.

Critical thinking and judgment are gaining value while tool specific skills lose it faster.

Of roughly 7,000 US CHROs Tina reviewed, about 5% showed strong AI fluency.

AI should make the recruiter role more strategic, not just faster.

The person you need may already work for you. Check inside before you post the job.

What you put into an AI tool can come back to you. Use tools with guardrails built for HR.

Hiring laws are moving from guidance to enforcement in New York City, California and the EU.

Timestamps

00:00 – Why general AI can be more biased than humans

03:36 – How AI can reduce bias in hiring

05:00 – How to vet an AI hiring tool

06:52 – The biggest hiring challenge: AI to sort through AI

12:17 – Only 5% of CHROs have AI fluency

14:33 – From order taker to consultant

20:27 – The scariest part: no guardrails

22:24 – Are your AI prompts protected?

25:54 – AI hiring laws: from soft law to hard law

27:27 – AI as a bias interrupter

Keywords

AI in hiring, hiring bias, responsible AI, recruiting technology, talent acquisition, AI regulation, CHRO, AI fluency, skills based hiring, HR technology

Before your next AI vendor demo, ask two questions: was this built for hiring, and how did you test it for bias?

Remastered from our original conversation with Tina Shah Paikeday, former partner and global practice head at Russell Reynolds.

GLP-1s are changing more than people’s bodies. They’re exposing some uncomfortable truths about work.

Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn get personal about their own experiences with GLP-1s, from paying out of pocket and navigating insurance coverage to realizing how differently the world can treat you after you lose weight.

But this isn’t a weight-loss episode.

It’s a conversation about who gets access to health, what weight bias looks like at work, appearance privilege, the coping mechanisms nobody talks about, and whether GLP-1 coverage could become the next benefits battleground for employers.

They also ask a question HR leaders may need to confront sooner than they think: What happens when losing weight starts affecting who gets hired, promoted, heard, or considered “put together”?

And yes, Jackye would like the record to reflect that she was sexy at every weight.

What happens when an absence becomes so familiar that nobody thinks to question it?

While watching the World Cup, Jackye Clayton and Katee Van Horn noticed that Argentina’s national team looked different from many of the teams competing around it. That observation opened a much bigger conversation about Black identity, national representation and how people can remain present while becoming invisible within the dominant story.

In this episode of Inclusive AF, Jackye and Katee use Argentina as a lens for examining something HR and business leaders see every day: normalized exclusion.

It happens when the leadership team has looked the same for so long that no one asks who is missing. When Black employees are represented in the workforce but absent from succession plans, influential roles and executive decision-making. When the same groups repeatedly leave, yet every departure is treated as an individual choice instead of part of a larger pattern.

The conversation explores:

This episode is not claiming that Black Argentines do not exist. It asks how people can be present while being excluded from the public picture of who belongs.

That is also the question every organization should be willing to ask:

Who is present in our workforce but missing from our picture of leadership, opportunity and influence?

Because inclusion requires more than inviting people into the room.

It requires someone to keep looking at who is heard, who advances, who holds power and whose absence the organization has learned not to notice.

Listen to “Where Are the Black People in Argentina?” and join the workplace conversation about what we normalize, what we measure and what we choose to see.

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