The Index Podcast

What if you could turn an idea into a live Solana app without writing code?

In this episode of The Index Podcast, host Alex Kehaya sits down with Jordan O’Neill, CMO and co-founder of Eitherway, to explore how AI agents are making Web3 app development faster, easier, and more accessible for builders around the world.

Jordan breaks down how Eitherway helps users prompt, build, deploy, and monetize production-ready apps across Web2, mobile, and Web3 — with deep integrations across the Solana ecosystem.

In this episode, we cover:
 🚀 How Eitherway lets users build apps from simple prompts
 🧠 Why AI agents are changing the future of software development
 ⚡ How Eitherway integrates Solana infrastructure like Jupiter, Meteora, Raydium, Kamino, Solflare, DFlow, and more
 🌍 Why emerging markets are a major focus for Web3 payments and USDC adoption
 🛠️ What builders created during Eitherway’s Superteam hackathon
 📲 How Eitherway’s Telegram agent can build apps directly from chat
 🔮 What’s next for Eitherway, including open-source agent frameworks and new product upgrades

Links:
 Jordan O’Neill on X: https://x.com/Depin_Dexter
Eitherway on X: https://x.com/EitherwayAI
Eitherway App: https://eitherway.ai/chat

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

What does it take to build the best perps trading experience on Solana?

In this episode of The Index Podcast, Alex Kehaya sits down with Hunter Simmons, CTO & Co-Founder, and Jordan Prince, CEO & Co-Founder, of Imperial Perps to unpack why Solana perps are evolving fast, what traders actually need, and how Imperial is building a clearer, more transparent trading experience for the next wave of onchain users.

From fee transparency to better routing, liquidation risk, UX, and the “seek truth” mindset behind great products, this conversation breaks down where Solana DeFi is heading — without the jargon.

In this episode:

🚀 Why Imperial Perps is building exclusively on Solana
📈 What perpetual contracts are — and why traders love them
⚡ The current state of Solana perps vs. Hyperliquid and centralized exchanges
💸 Why fees, slippage, and liquidation risk matter more than most users realize
🧠 How Imperial routes traders toward better execution and clearer PnL
🛠️ The founder mindset: seeking truth, product-market fit, and building through hard cycles
🌐 Why the next 6–12 months could be huge for Solana perps

Links:
The Index Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast
Imperial Perps Website: https://imperial.space
Imperial Perps on X: https://x.com/ImperialPerps
Hunter Simmons on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hunter-simmons1
Hunter Simmons on X: https://x.com/ImperialAttila
Jordan Prince on X: https://x.com/redacted_j

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

• AI agents are coming on-chain — and Clawpump wants Solana to be their home base. In this episode of The Index Podcast, Nicky Scanella sits down with Bunny, Mauricio Trujillo Ramirez, co-founder of Clawpump and Tektonic, to unpack how autonomous AI agents could trade, earn, pay for compute, and interact with DeFi in real time.
• From “eternal agents” to x402, Solana speed, and the future of agentic finance, this conversation breaks down one of the most exciting intersections in Web3: AI x crypto.
• In this episode, we cover:
   🤖 What Clawpump is building as the “House of Agentic Finance” on Solana
   ⚡ Why Solana is becoming a key ecosystem for AI agents and on-chain automation
   💸 How agents can earn money, pay for compute, and interact with DeFi
   🔁 What x402 actually means — and why it matters for crypto users and developers
   🏦 The difference between Clawpump’s retail focus and Tektonic’s institutional infrastructure
   📈 Agentic trading, arbitrage, prediction markets, and the future of on-chain finance
   🧠 Why AI agents won’t replace every app, wallet, or human experience

Links:
 The Index Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast
Clawpump Website: https://www.clawpump.tech/
Clawpump on X: https://x.com/clawpumptech
Tektonic Website: https://tektonic.company/
Bunny / Mauricio on X: https://x.com/ConejoCapital

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

What if markets — not committees — made the big decisions behind crypto fundraising?

In this episode of The Index Podcast, Alex Kehaya sits down with Proph3t, co-founder of MetaDAO, to unpack how Solana-native fundraising is evolving, why token launches are being reimagined, and how decision markets could reshape how founders raise, govern, and scale.

In this episode, we cover:

🚀 How MetaDAO is changing internet-native fundraising on Solana
🧠 What decision markets are — and why they matter
💰 Why post-raise treasury oversight could reduce rugs and misaligned incentives
⚖️ The real trade-offs of launching a token vs. raising traditional venture capital
🔥 Why community ownership can supercharge distribution
🛠️ How founders should think about “token or no token”
🌍 The long-term vision for market-driven decision-making

Links:
🎙️ The Index Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast
👤 Proph3t on X: https://x.com/metaproph3t
🏢 MetaDAO on X: https://x.com/MetaDAOProject
🌐 MetaDAO Website: https://www.metadao.fi/

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

Crypto adoption isn’t just about better tech… it’s about better culture.
In this episode, John Wilson & Amol Gharte, cofounders of Solana Spaces, break down how real-world experiences are onboarding the next wave of Web3 users.

From viral pop-ups to global community building, this is what happens when crypto steps out of the screen and into real life.

🚀 In this episode, we cover:

• 🏬 How Solana Spaces reinvented crypto retail through pop-ups and global experiences
• 🌍 Why culture > technology when it comes to mass adoption
• 🎉 Inside their legendary NYC pop-up that turned into a street-level crypto party
• 🧠 The Apple Store strategy behind onboarding users into Web3
• 🛍️ Why most crypto merch fails—and how to build real brand affinity
• 📊 How they measure ROI, conversions, and real-world engagement
• 🔥 Wild activation ideas: crypto tattoos, prediction games, and more
• 🧩 The future: marketplaces, consulting, and scaling beyond Solana events

🔗 Follow & learn more:

• 🎙️ The Index Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast
• 🧑‍💻 John Wilson (X): https://x.com/DegentlemanJohn
• 🧑‍💻 Amol Gharte (X): https://x.com/0xAmol
• 🏢 Solana Spaces: https://solanaspaces.com/
• 🐦 Solana Spaces (X): https://x.com/solanaspaces

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

What if you could launch a full Solana application just by describing your idea in plain English? Amit Ishairzay and Bilal Shahid, co-founders of Poof (poof.new), are building exactly that — and it's already live.

From prediction markets to token escrows to DePIN apps for cleaning up dog poop (yes, really), builders are shipping on-chain products faster than ever. Here's how they're doing it.

In this episode:

• 🛠️ What Poof actually is — type your idea, get a deployed Solana app with smart contracts, indexing, frontend, and backend
• 🔐 The "Poof Policy" system — the AI-native schema that makes smart contract generation secure and auditable
• ⚡ Why Solana? — and how Poof is to Web3 what Firebase/Supabase is to Web2
• 🤖 AI + Crypto infrastructure — how the team uses Claude Code, Codex, and auto-routing between models to keep costs down
• 🧪 The wildest apps people have built — from pump.fun clones to hyper-personalized all-in-one trading terminals
• 👾 Agentic Poof — what happens when no human is in the loop and an agent is shipping apps autonomously
• 🔓 The open source debate — how AI is reshaping the risk calculus for open source projects
• 🧠 Mythos (Anthropic's unreleased model) — what a model too dangerous to release means for the future of software security

🔗 LINKS

• The Index Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast
• Poof: https://poof.new
• Amit (X): https://x.com/legitamit  
• Bilal (X): https://x.com/BSha256  

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

What if ripping open Pokémon packs as a kid was actually your billion-dollar origin story? Jake, Co-Founder of Phygitals, built a $180M on-chain trading card marketplace on Solana,  bootstrapped, shot down by 7 VCs, and still winning. This one hits different. 

In this episode, we cover:

🃏 What Phygitals actually is — a tokenized collectibles marketplace where physical cards live in vaults and trade at the speed of blockchain 🔐 The vault system — how PSA, Fanatics, and Alt Vault secure the physical cards behind every NFT 💸 The 92% instant buyback model — why it works and how they make money on the delta 🚀 Building on Solana — why the culture, community, and bootstrapping power of Solana made it the only choice 📦 From $4K in Pokémon cards to $180M in volume — the scrappy GTM that started with an airdrop and a $1 claw machine 😤 Getting roasted by 7 VCs — and why Jake used it as fuel 🌐 60% Web2 users — how Stripe + CoinFlow made crypto-native rails accessible to non-crypto collectors 🏪 The B2B infrastructure play — deployable storefronts and API layers for card shops and major brands 💬 USDC as the future of collectibles payments — solving the ACH settlement nightmare in high-value auctions

🔗 LINKS

• 🐦 Jake / Mr. Colada on X: https://x.com/coladacodes 
• 🐦 Phygitals on X: https://x.com/phygitals 
• 🌐 Phygitals Website: https://phygitals.com 
• 📺 The Index Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

Most DeFi protocols are one hack away from collapse. Plish is building Hylo differently — and in this episode, he breaks down exactly why.

From winning the Colosseum Radar Hackathon to crossing $100M TVL, Hylo is rewriting the rules of decentralized stablecoins on Solana. No external dependencies. No borrowed risk. Just battle-tested code.

What we cover:

🧱 What is Hylo? — A DeFi platform issuing a yield-bearing stablecoin (HiUSD) and a leveraged SOL ETF (xSOL), built entirely on-chain with zero external protocol dependencies

⚠️ What Solana DeFi is getting wrong — Why composability is both DeFi's superpower and its biggest security liability (and the Drift hack as a live case study)

🔐 The self-custody gospel — Why Plish keeps it simple: stake your SOL, stay in control, and never full-port into someone else's smart contract risk

🤖 Running a 4-person team with AI agents — How Hylo uses Claude, Granola, and a custom hiring system based on the Who framework to punch way above their weight

🚀 Hylo V2 is coming — xBTC, new collateral types (RWAs, yield-bearing dollars, maybe even S&P 500-backed stablecoins), and a new UI with stop losses and DCA tools

📉 The leverage problem nobody talks about — Why 50x perps are dangerous for retail, and why Hylo's managed 2–4x xAssets might be the smarter play

🔗 LINKS

🎙️ The Index Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast 🐦 Plish on X: https://x.com/0xPlish 🐦 Hylo on X: https://x.com/hylo_so 🌐 Hylo Website: https://hylo.so/

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

What does it take to build the most trusted wallet in the Solana ecosystem and keep it that way?

What happens when every trade you make on-chain is public — and your friends start copy-trading you without asking? That's what pushed Kru Shah to build Umbra, the first live app on Arcium's Mainnet Alpha, and he's here to break down exactly how confidential compute is about to change everything on Solana.

In this episode: 🧱 What Arcium actually is — the confidential compute engine powering Umbra (and why it matters beyond DeFi) 🔄 How private swaps work on Umbra — and why 7 seconds of latency is a trade-off worth making ⚖️ Privacy vs. regulation — Kru's take on Tornado Cash, Roman Storm, and the case for privacy as a human right 📣 The Elizabeth Warren challenge — Kru's 30-second answer to crypto's biggest privacy skeptic 💸 Raising on MetaDAO / Futarchy — how Umbra got $155M in commitments and only took $3M 🪙 Ownership tokens vs. meme coin culture — why token holders need to earn their seat at the table 🤝 Building alongside Arcium — why this relationship is unlike any typical "app built on infrastructure"

🔗 LINKS

🎙️ The Index Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast 🏢 Umbra Website: https://www.umbraprivacy.com/ 🐦 Umbra on X: https://x.com/UmbraPrivacy

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube

Animoca Brands co-founder Yat Siu sits down with host Alex Kehaya to talk about digital ownership, the agentic economy, and why everything we built in Web3 was secretly a proof of concept for what's coming next. This one hits differently.

Alex shares how Nansen went all-in on agentic AI, deploying 75 OpenClaws across their entire team, building shared skill repositories, and pioneering what he calls "claw fooding" — getting AI agents to test and fix their own product. We also get deep into agentic trading, Nansen's new CLI that lets your AI agent trade on-chain, and why Alex believes the traditional trading interface is dead.

🔑 Key Topics Covered:

• 🌐 Digital property rights & the case for true ownership — why most people are living in "rented space" online and what blockchain actually fixes
• 🤖 The agentic economy is here — from 3–5 agents per person to potentially hundreds of billions roaming the open web
• 💸 Agents need wallets — how crypto rails (payments, identity, wallets) are the perfect infrastructure for AI agents to transact freely
• 🧠 Animoca Minds deep dive — how it deploys persistent agents in under 60 seconds, with shared infrastructure, long-term memory, and a skills marketplace
• ⛓️ Why Solana's builder culture mattered — and how purpose-driven communities created ecosystems that survived the hardest moments
• 🏗️ Orchestration vs LLMs — why the real value isn't which model you pick, but how you harness and own your agents
• 🔓 Open source super intelligence as a human right — the stakes of letting a handful of companies own AGI, and how crypto + open source can counter that
• 🌏 The cultural gap between AI and crypto — why Asia gets it and what the West needs to catch up on

📌 Connect & Follow:

🎙️ The Index Podcast:https://www.youtube.com/@theindexpodcast 👤 Yat Siu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yatsiu 🐦 Yat Siu on X: https://x.com/ysiu 🏢 Animoca Brands: https://www.animocabrands.com 🐦 Animoca Brands on X: https://x.com/animocabrands

Show Links

The Index
X Channel
YouTube