The Infinite Thread - Netism Podcast

Can you stay aware when you realize you are dreaming? Kian Shores talks with Joel Schafer, creator of Perceiver and The Dreaming Arts, about lucid dreaming, recapitulation, magical passes, breaking old patterns and finding community.

Joel shares his experiences with Carlos Castaneda’s teachings and his understanding of the Toltec tradition. Kian reflects on revisiting a painful memory. Their conversation includes going slowly and not forcing difficult memory work.

NETISM

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Community: https://livingnetism.com/

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FIND JOEL SCHAFER / PERCEIVER

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@sunwolf1111

Website, courses and current events: https://www.joelschafer.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joel.schafer/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/joel.schafer.56

X: https://x.com/joelschafer2

Consultation: https://calendly.com/joelschafer/30min

CHAPTERS

00:00 Opening and introduction

01:00 Castaneda and the dreaming arts

04:39 Time is measured by intensity

06:54 Staying calm inside a lucid dream

12:43 Bring life to the work you already do

24:52 What Joel means by recapitulation

26:38 Reclaiming energy after a draining relationship

32:27 The idea of a final dance

34:45 Why the movements matter

41:19 Mirror gazing, with the caution intact

46:01 Working with the Matrix

54:45 Kian on revisiting a painful memory

58:18 Do not force yourself into trauma work

1:04:33 Small ways to break a pattern

1:13:23 Breath work and emotional release

1:15:16 The modern campfire: finding community

Recorded November 4, 2026. The Infinite Thread, a Netism podcast.

It was pitch black. Then both of them heard it.

Bo Burleson recalls an unexplained laugh in the woods after a strange sighting. Around the table, Kian Shores, Harold Hoenow and Janaki Mayhill share the moments they still cannot explain: a blue figure in a room, lights coming within feet of a group, vivid dreams and a presence in an empty passenger seat.

A Halloween roundtable about ghost stories, UFO sightings and the meaning people draw from unusual experiences. These are the speakers' personal accounts and interpretations.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Laughter in the dark woods

00:20 The Halloween roundtable

03:26 Bo: paranormal investigations

06:48 A blue figure in a childhood room

08:08 The chairs on the tables

09:07 Stargazing with Dad

10:34 The dream: choose a new Earth

14:25 Harold: strange lights around Kerrville

17:32 Lights within two feet

25:37 A presence in the passenger seat

28:41 The blue-light dream

30:58 A toddler's warning

37:22 A light over Iron Creek Lake

39:14 Laughter in the woods

43:39 Kian: the nightmare and the doll

45:26 Closing reflections

Featuring Kian Shores, Bo Burleson, Harold Hoenow and Janaki Mayhill.

The Infinite Thread Podcast from Netism.

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What would life look like if trust mattered more than competition, creativity felt like play, and community meant people actually showing up for one another?

Brian Costello, author of The Primordial Code, joins Kian Shores on The Infinite Thread to explore a better way to live, and the choices that could make it real. We get into the difference between a neighborhood and a village, the fear that keeps us from sharing our work, and why accountability means owning our mistakes rather than pretending to be perfect.

Kian also opens up about learning to accept his burn scars. Brian explains why his fictional world needs a skeptic, how writing changed his relationship with creativity, and why the author is still learning to live up to his own characters.

IN THIS CONVERSATION

• Building trust, belonging, and mutual support

• Turning creative work into something you want to do

• Facing judgment and finding the courage to be seen

• Self-acceptance, responsibility, and imperfect growth

• Bringing communities together instead of keeping them separate

CONNECT WITH BRIAN COSTELLO

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@the_primordial_code

The Primordial Code book and free audio series: https://www.theprimordialcode.com/

CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION

Which would make the biggest difference where you live: more trust, more shared responsibility, or more space to create? Share your thoughts with us.

Follow The Infinite Thread for conversations about community, consciousness, creativity, and how we live together.

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Hosted by Kian Shores. The Infinite Thread is a Netism podcast.

What does it take to move from isolation toward connection? Bo Burlison joins Kian Shores on The Infinite Thread for an honest conversation about finding your voice, building confidence, and choosing a different life.

From throat singing and creative expression to retreats, mythology, and a new chapter in Vegas, Bo shares the experiences shaping his personal transformation—and why community matters along the way.

In this episode:

• Finding the confidence to be seen and heard

• Music, throat singing, and creative expression

• Moving from isolation toward community

• Facing change and investing in yourself

• Symbolism, Norse mythology, and identity

The Infinite Thread is a Netism podcast hosted by Kian Shores. This conversation shares personal experiences and spiritual interpretations.

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What helped you find your voice? Share your experience in the comments.

CHAPTERS

00:00:00 Welcome to The Infinite Thread

00:00:23 Why this conversation matters

00:03:09 Meet Bo Burlison: finding confidence

00:05:27 Throat singing, music and expression

00:12:13 From isolation toward community

00:19:03 A move to Vegas and choosing change

00:39:20 Revisiting the past and personal growth

00:53:41 Symbols and Norse mythology

01:05:31 Music and creative direction

01:16:59 Seraph the Initiate and changing identity

01:19:50 Closing thoughts and staying connected

What happens when a physician explores the connection between science, spirituality, and healing? Dr. Nelson Valena joins Kian Shores on The Infinite Thread for a conversation about integrative medicine, compassion, purpose, and community.

Nelson shares his personal journey and perspective on bringing conventional medicine and ancient healing traditions into conversation, balancing logic with intuition, and finding support through community.

GUEST: DR. NELSON VALENA

Physician specializing in physical medicine and rehabilitation and brain injury medicine; co-founder of Golden Hill Retreat Center in Coldspring, Texas.

Golden Hill: retreats, workshops & tours | Contact Nelson

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Personal perspectives for discussion; not medical advice.

What can an estimated 70,000 clinical hours teach us about being human? Psychotherapist Louis Laves-Webb joins Nora Spinnor and Kian Shores for a conversation about relationships, identity, emotional growth, and the unconscious.

In this full episode of The Infinite Thread, Louis reflects on lessons from clinical practice and his upcoming book. We explore fear of rejection, recurring patterns, family dynamics, creativity, and finding meaning beyond achievement. Kian shares his experience of learning to accept his burn scars, while Nora connects the conversation with Netism's understanding of alchemy and personal transformation.

The discussion brings together Louis's clinical perspective, personal stories, and spiritual interpretations. His metaphor of "composting the past" offers a way to think about how our relationship with difficult experiences can change.

Follow The Infinite Thread for full conversations about psychology, spirituality, and how we understand our lives.

Which idea from this conversation will you carry into your own life?

CHAPTERS

00:00 What 70,000 hours of therapy taught Louis

02:01 Shure thank-you and Medicine for the People

02:49 Meet Louis Laves-Webb

07:52 Why patterns keep repeating

13:07 Grief, loss, and facing old wounds

19:51 Why change can't always be rushed

21:06 "Composting the past"

24:01 Emotional accountability

24:50 Why healing doesn't follow a straight line

29:09 Family systems and the "identified patient"

35:35 Kian's scars and fear of rejection

37:35 Louis recalls overlooked 9/11 workers

39:46 The "insurance policy" against rejection

42:21 Doing everything right and still feeling empty

44:17 Meaning beyond achievement

48:44 Losing confidence and living by "shoulds"

51:04 Where self-inquiry begins

53:59 Alchemy, Nigredo, and transformation

55:55 Happiness beyond a checklist

1:01:18 Louis's practice and upcoming book

1:03:18 Closing reflections

GUEST

Louis Laves-Webb, LCSW-S, LPC-S

https://www.louislaves-webb.com/

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EVENT MENTIONED

Medicine for the People, September 24-27, 2026

Camp Tahuaya, Belton, Texas

Event details and tickets: https://loveisourmedicine.com/

WATCH THE INFINITE THREAD

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Guy Brown, founder of Medicine for the People Spiritual Gathering, joins Kian Shores and Nora Spinnor to talk about loneliness, belonging, and building spiritual community outside traditional religious spaces.

Guy describes how years of seeking without anyone to talk to led to a small circle of friends and eventually a gathering that brings spiritual communities from across Texas together. Shared meals, music, nature, and ceremony help strangers find acceptance and become spiritual family.

In this conversation:

• Why belonging matters when your beliefs don't fit traditional religious spaces.
• How a communal kitchen makes feeding one another part of the gathering.
• The Angel Walk and the experience of receiving affirmation, acceptance, and kindness.
• Creating community for children, teenagers, parents, and elders.
• Remembering our roots through the Ancestors Altar and Netism's planned ceremony.
• What Guy means by "medicine": the joy, creativity, and gifts each person brings.

Nora reflects on her first visit. Kian shares personal experiences with recovery, self-acceptance, and the relationships that helped him reconnect.

Explore Medicine for the People and find gathering details: https://loveisourmedicine.com/

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Chapters

00:00 Why spiritual community matters

02:13 Medicine for the People: the beginnings

06:39 Growing a gathering across Texas

14:59 Gathering with intention

20:49 Belonging, scars, and being accepted

26:32 Leadership beyond the comfort zone

29:39 Finding community and sharing meals

36:40 Workshops, music, and shared knowledge

40:08 The Ancestors Altar and remembering roots

41:51 A gathering for the whole family

45:39 What to bring as a first-time visitor

50:39 Children, teenagers, and belonging

54:50 Sober spaces and the Angel Walk

1:01:36 Netism at the Ancestors Altar

1:05:57 Carrying one flame through the gathering

1:09:34 Find Medicine for the People and Netism

Tara From Earth joins Kian Shores and Nora Spinnor to discuss spiritual consumerism, the endless healing trap, and learning to trust yourself when every course, retreat, or reading promises another breakthrough.

Tara describes how repeated healing experiences can become a cycle of searching for what is wrong with you. The conversation explores spiritual authority, ceremony and integration, saying no, and recognizing when a practice has stopped helping you live your life.

They also talk about grief, community, and our connection with nature. Tara reflects on letting go of a fixed spiritual identity, allowing creative expression, and helping people bring what they want to create into everyday practice. Nora connects the discussion with Netism and the idea of a unique soul signature.

In this conversation:

• Red flags when someone claims to know what your soul needs.
• How the search for healing can turn into another dependency.
• Embodiment, self-trust, and integrating an experience into daily life.
• Questioning wellness spending and keeping your own authority.
• Purpose, creative expression, and making room for change.

Find Tara and her work: Tara From Earth.

Explore Netism and the Shared World Project. Interested in joining a conversation? Apply to be a guest.

Follow The Infinite Thread for new conversations about spirituality, philosophy, and everyday life.

Chapters

00:00 When spirituality becomes a product

02:12 Meet Tara From Earth

07:31 Red flags and outsourced authority

09:39 The endless healing loop

13:03 Embodiment and daily self-trust

15:39 Ceremony, integration, and saying no

23:53 Escapism and embracing being human

25:55 Spiritual identity and letting tools go

30:19 Grief, community, and intuition

36:10 The creator beyond fixed roles

45:33 Questioning wellness spending

47:50 Keeping your own authority

49:49 Tara's work and creative expression

54:49 Purpose and your unique soul signature

58:28 Find Tara and continue the conversation

Permaculture, grounding, and our relationship with nature are the focus of this conversation with Kian Shores and Nora Spinnor. They discuss how time outdoors, growing plants, and noticing natural patterns shape their sense of connection and inner peace.

Starting with their childhoods in California, Kian and Nora move into soil health, polyculture, food forests, and the ethics of permaculture. Nora shares lessons from her own garden, including companion planting, natural pest control, and leaving roots and fallen leaves to feed the soil.

The conversation also examines research the hosts have been reading about natural light, attention, stress, and access to green space. They close with practical ways to reconnect with nature, from park visits and windowsill herbs to community gardens, and explain how Netism and the Shared World Project connect these ideas with community action.

Follow The Infinite Thread for new conversations about spirituality, philosophy, and everyday life.

Explore Netism and the Shared World Project. Interested in joining a conversation? Apply to be a guest.

Chapters

00:00 Nature as the original teacher

00:55 Growing up close to nature

08:55 Soil health and polyculture

19:49 Permaculture ethics and living patterns

24:36 Garden design and natural pest control

27:48 Light, natural rhythms, and stress

34:07 Outdoor light, vision, and recovery

40:05 City living and disconnection

44:33 Attention restoration and soft fascination

48:14 Rumination, awe, and social connection

57:59 Grounding and time outdoors

1:01:50 Nature breaks in daily life

1:04:13 Green and blue space in the city

1:06:48 Grow something where you live

1:09:51 Netism and the Shared World Project

1:15:13 Get high on Mother Earth: closing

In this episode, we break down “the Net” as a lived, practical model, not a belief. Your thoughts, emotions, and attention patterns function like signals. Your behavior carries those signals outward and creates ripples that shape your relationships, your decisions, your environment, and what comes next.

We cover how attention is captured in modern life through predictable loops that spike the nervous system, attach a meaning story, and reward engagement through relief, certainty, belonging, or outrage. The goal is not paranoia. The goal is awareness and self direction.

We also map emotional trigger cycles in a clear sequence, from cue to body shift to story to emotion to urge to behavior to consequence. You will learn why triggers start with state, why your options shrink when the state shifts, and how to interrupt the loop early.

You get a practical method for regaining control in real time: install a pause, change the environment when needed, stop the thought train without fighting it, and use polarity to shift the inner signal toward clarity, clean action, dignity, and the next honest step. This is mental transmutation in practice, and it is how you move from being steered by external inputs to living from intention and choice.