In this episode, Bart speaks with Rabih El Khodr, author of The Way Out of Burnout, about what burnout really is, how to recognize it, and what it takes to overcome it.

Drawing on research in psychology and neuroscience as well as his own personal experiences, Rabih challenges the conventional view that burnout is the result of working too hard, arguing instead that it often stems from the gap between our authentic selves and the roles we feel we need to play at work. Central to his work is the idea that burnout begins when we start following survival scripts, a concept he pairs with his F.L.O.W. Framework, a practical approach to identifying and changing the patterns that contribute to burnout.

The conversation also offers valuable insights for leaders on how to spot burnout in their teams and support them before it becomes overwhelming. As the demands on leaders continue to intensify, Rabih's perspective offers a fresh approach to sustaining high performance without sacrificing oneself in the process.

Get a sneak peek at the introduction of Rabih's book here: https://the-burnout-graduates.kit.com/

Watch his TEDx talk "Burnout Begins with a Script" here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il8L9CB8dsQ

Show notes:

00:33 Show intro

01:10 Introducing Rabih El Khodr

01:37 The topic of burnout

02:04 What is burnout, and what do we get wrong about it?

02:29 Burnout is caused by "putting on an act"

03:01 Why some hardworking leaders don't burn out

04:05 Where did it all start?

04:09 Starting a career in marketing and communications

04:57 Multiple episodes of burnout throughout his career

05:22 How a lifetime of burnout led to the book

05:47 The realization that changed his perspective on burnout

06:17 The worldview that made burnout worse

06:31 The three unachievable objectives that drive burnout

06:53 The personal experiences that shaped his thesis

08:11 The panic attack in Istanbul

09:39 What are the signs you may be experiencing burnout?

09:52 Losing interest in the activities you once loved

11:39 What causes burnout?

11:58 Introducing survival scripts

12:17 How operating on autopilot leads to burnout

12:38 The cognitive theory behind burnout

13:02 Why burnout begins at the belief level

13:19 The scripts that lead us to burnout

13:23 The Three Cs

13:29 Composure

13:41 Connection

13:53 Control

14:06 The pressure leaders feel to be perfect

15:48 Why do some people burn out while others don't?

16:12 Robin Williams and the danger of unchecked survival scripts

17:34 Why self-awareness is the path out of burnout

18:51 The self-awareness gap: 95% vs. 10–15%

20:09 How can you develop greater self-awareness?

20:36 The PONI framework

20:46 Pause

20:55 Observe

21:01 Name the emotion

21:08 Integrate it

21:12 Applying PONI to a real-world situation

23:41 The survival mode of the modern era

24:11 Why leaders deserve more empathy

25:56 The FLOW framework

26:18 Understanding the flow state

26:41 The four-step FLOW process

26:48 Face your scripts

27:47 Applying FLOW to Rabih's own journey

28:46 Burnout isn't inevitable

29:31 When is it your script, and when is it simply too many hours?

30:31 The problem with many workplace wellness programs

31:37 Can bad bosses cause burnout?

35:02 Why self-awareness is the foundation of emotional intelligence

35:58 Where to learn more about Rabih's work

36:17 Final thoughts

36:36 Outro

In this episode of the Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal welcomes Jennifer Gabriele, Partner and National Leader, Leadership & Team Development at Humance and co-author of The Inspirational Leader.

Drawing on insights from her research and work with leaders across Canada, Jennifer explores how leadership has evolved in the wake of COVID and what it takes to manage and inspire teams in today's workplace. She discusses the shift toward shared leadership, the importance of executive presence, and why authenticity matters more than charisma.

Jennifer goes on to share practical lessons from her book, including the difference between clarity and certainty, the power of curiosity, cultivating excellence, and why managerial courage is critical for navigating difficult decisions. As a renowned executive coach and facilitator to many of Quebec's leading organizations and companies across Canada, Jennifer brings these ideas to life through real-world stories and actionable insights in a lively conversation between two people passionate about leadership communication.

Show notes:

00:32 Show intro

01:10 Welcoming Jennifer

01:43 The Inspirational Leader

01:57 What's the book about and why did you write it?

02:13 What makes a great leader?

03:32 What is Jennifer's story that led her to Humance?

03:51 We brand companies but not humans. Why not?

04:25 Products have far fewer dimensions than a person

04:36 Coca-Cola example

05:41 Her practice before Humance: executive branding

06:00 Why some persuade and others don't

06:36 The move to Humance

08:40 Acquiring Lord Communication

09:21 Focus on managers and executives

11:35 Interviewing leaders for the book: what did you find?

12:48 Themes that emerged from her qualitative research

13:02 Misplaced nostalgia for the "good old days"

13:47 Shared leadership

14:10 The impact of COVID on work culture

14:28 The amount and quality of presence required

14:44 During COVID, managers thought they needed to be 24/7 present

15:32 Bart discusses the decline in deference

16:27 Society has changed, too

16:34 Shortage of labour

17:31 What does it mean to be an inspirational leader?

18:15 You don't need to speak like Barack Obama; you just need to walk the talk

19:28 Getting people to follow you

19:49 Authority doesn't work. People need to believe in you

19:58 Passive-aggressive resistance to directive-style leadership

20:47 Three rules for inspiring leadership

21:23 The importance of having communication goals

25:19 The difference between clarity and certainty

25:43 What is cultivating excellence?

25:58 If you want to be an inspirational leader, you can't be a know-it-all

26:50 Example of the curious leader

27:20 How does curiosity tie to cultivating excellence?

27:54 Setting a standard for what excellence looks like

28:13 Teasing out unrealistic expectations and perfectionism vs. a healthy pursuit of excellence

28:48 Try your best vs. try not to make mistakes

29:11 How can leaders communicate this?

29:38 Don't hide if you don't know something

29:51 Instead of "Why did you do this?" say "How do we fix this?"

30:55 Example of dealing with a high-performing but toxic employee

32:18 Managerial courage

33:33 You lose talent if you're not a courageous leader

34:13 What did you learn from writing The Inspirational Leader?

35:47 Thank-yous

36:10 Show outro

In this episode of the Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal sits down with Stéphanie Butt Thibodeau, EVP Talent and Corporate Affairs at iA Financial Group, to explore how leaders and organizations can embrace artificial intelligence while keeping people at the center of transformation.

She begins by sharing how AI has fundamentally reshaped her own work, helping her rethink long-established habits and increase productivity. She goes on to discuss how iA Financial Group is helping employees navigate the uncertainty surrounding AI by fostering curiosity, experimentation, and a culture of learning. Stéphanie offers practical advice for leaders and professionals at all levels on overcoming anxiety around AI, and embracing the opportunities and excitement it can bring to their work.

Through practical examples, personal vulnerability, and insights into iA's organization-wide approach to learning, Stéphanie offers an honest and practical look at what it takes to lead through one of the biggest workplace transformations of our time. A must-listen for anyone navigating the opportunities and challenges of AI.

Show Notes:

01:07 Introducing Stéphanie

01:38 Talk about what IA is and what they do

03:26 A bit about her bio and early years

04:21 Her comfort with and enjoyment of change

04:33 Junior Achievement

05:06 Recipe card holder example

05:36 Radio show

06:22 Becoming an accountant?

06:42 Switched to finance and international business

06:48 Her career start

07:31 What led her into HR?

08:31 Getting the job at IA

10:09 What is the IA way of managing people?

10:24 Being a learning organization

10:31 Creating conditions where employees can be their best

11:08 Bart asks for an example of the learning culture

11:21 The VP summit at IA

12:28 AI and its implications

12:47 Started off thinking of it as an operational efficiency thing

13:00 Allowing people to focus on where they can add the most value

13:28 How has AI affected Stephanie's work?

13:51 Changing the way she works — example: preparing presentations

14:20 It's about "unlearning" our ways of working

14:37 Using AI as a chief of staff

14:59 Copilot helps organize her day and key tasks

15:57 Copilot as a personal assistant

16:46 The anxieties associated with the introduction of AI in the organization

16:59 Choose curiosity over fear

17:34 Quote: AI won't replace humans, just humans who don't use AI

18:21 What advice would you give to people about AI?

18:50 It's all about mindset

19:38 How do you demonstrate the learning mindset?

22:24 What's next after adopting the mindset?

22:53 Practice using the tools

24:13 Bart talks about the Anthropic models

25:33 Advice #3

25:50 AI ambassador network

26:14 Hackathons

27:28 Creating the muscle around learning

29:12 Learning is not just an HR thing

30:11 Where will the adoption of AI go in the years to come?

31:30 What are your personal hopes for the future?

32:13 Thank yous and Bart sums up the takeaways

33:23 Outro

Every leader knows how to have conversations. Far fewer know how to lead them.

In this episode, Bart Egnal speaks with Sandra Bekas, Senior Learning and Development Manager at The Humphrey Group, about why conversations have become one of the most important leadership skills in today's workplace and how THG helps leaders prepare for and excel in these critical communication moments. Drawing on her background in language, rhetoric, cognitive science, and leadership development, Sandra shares insights into why conversations are where influence happens and why those moments have become more complex than ever.

Sandra explains why conversations have become more frequent, more candid, and often more challenging as employees increasingly expect leaders to be more present, more transparent, and more accessible than ever before. She discusses the difference between routine and high-stakes conversations, why framing a conversation is critical to creating clarity and trust, and how leaders can guide discussions without becoming overly directive.

The conversation also explores practical tools from The Humphrey Group's Art of Conversation program, including the ARC framework (Acknowledge, Refocus, Catalyze) for getting derailed conversations back on track. Whether you're navigating everyday discussions or pivotal leadership moments, this episode offers practical tools for communicating with greater confidence, clarity, and influence.

Show Notes:

00:58 Introducing Sandra Bekas

01:41 Introducing the topic of conversations

02:37 What led you to this role?

02:50 Love of language

03:14 Thinking and language and emotion and how that shapes reality

03:37 Moving to Japan

04:14 Japanese different language structure

04:22 Maybe trim/cut this section?

05:52 Moved back to Canada - Canadian publishing

06:15 Majority of career in instructional design...

06:35 Joining HG

07:26 How have conversations reached this inflection point?

08:00 Post-COVID interactions

08:24 In-person and digital accessibility

09:10 Leadership conversations are now more fraught

10:18 COVID level-set us

10:45 Insert: the three A's

12:47 What is the new THG program?

13:14 The Art of Conversation program

13:25 The ability to dynamically influence others

13:49 Routine conversations vs. high-stakes conversations

14:15 Corporate conversations where you want to move the needle

14:43 How you present in the moment

15:01 How to exert your influence

15:42 What is framing and why is it important?

16:01 What is the purpose of this conversation?

16:33 Example: giving a poor performance review

17:44 Example: letting down people who didn't get the promotion

20:01 Summarizing

20:48 Introducing clarity in a meeting

21:22 Bart presents a challenging example of a situation that is hard to summarize

23:36 Getting derailed conversations back on track

24:56 A.R.C.

26:06 A: acknowledge

26:17 R: refocus

26:28 C: catalyzing question

30:16 You cannot script these moments

31:04 You can still be authentic when using these tools!

32:26 Where can people find out more?

In this episode of the Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal speaks with Rachel Cossar, co-founder and CEO of Virtual Sapiens, about how AI is transforming leadership communication training. Drawing on her own journey from the professional world of ballet to expert in non-verbal communication, Rachel explains how her experience in performance and body awareness led to the creation of an AI-powered communication coaching platform.

Together, Bart and Rachel explore why AI can be such a powerful complement to facilitated training and executive coaching, especially when it comes to practice, repetition, feedback, and accountability. They discuss their collaboration with The Humphrey Group, including how THG has trained the platform on their own IP and is integrating AI coaching into their programs to help participants build confidence and measure improvement over time.

The conversation also examines the limits of AI, why human facilitation remains essential, and how the future of communication training will combine technology with human connection. A fascinating look at the evolving role of AI in helping people become more effective, authentic, and inspiring communicators.

Learn more at https://www.virtualsapiens.co/

Show Notes:

00:19 Show intro

00:57 Introducing Rachel and Virtual Sapiens

02:29 Rachel’s background

02:48 Started off in ballet

03:17 Body awareness and presence

04:21 What dance training made her realize about office life

05:04 Starting her new career

05:26 Consulting with the hospitality industry

06:34 The “always on” nature of hospitality

07:23 Silent service

08:36 How this applies to executive and leadership development

09:06 How the COVID disruption changed her work and business

09:28 The idea for Virtual Sapiens

09:49 How do you take training and truly make it muscle memory?

10:55 Rapid adoption of video during COVID changed things

12:57 How did Virtual Sapiens come to be?

13:30 Initial product: a video sidekick coach

15:02 How did people respond to AI feedback?

15:53 People now have overly high expectations of AI

16:53 The complexities of video avatars

17:55 Why Virtual Sapiens was a natural fit for coaching firms

18:31 The asynchronous practice tool

19:26 How Virtual Sapiens fits with The Humphrey Group

19:47 The Humphrey Group’s “ELI” tool

20:13 Learners can see measurable improvements

20:49 Where is AI used best in facilitation and training?

21:44 Designing programs with more longevity

23:59 Scalable and concurrent learning

24:36 Why people find AI to be a safe space to practice

25:03 The fear of being judged

25:41 Why people prefer first reps with AI

26:23 Built-in accountability for learners

27:15 Post-facilitation tools and practice

29:36 Do people use it?

29:50 Why getting people on early is key

31:52 What is the future of Virtual Sapiens?

32:40 More task-specific LLMs

33:29 Where can people learn more

In this episode, Bart Egnal speaks with executive, author, and leadership expert Barry Moline about what it takes to create authentic human connection in an increasingly disconnected world.

Drawing on decades of leadership experience, including mediating high-stakes conflicts and leading organizations through crisis, Barry shares the lessons that inspired his book Connect: How to Quickly Collaborate for Success in Business and Life. From rebuilding trust as a young CEO to helping groups find common ground during conflict, Barry explains why connection is the foundation of influence, collaboration, and effective leadership.

Bart and Barry explore practical ways leaders can foster stronger relationships at work, including “connection before content,” intentional conversations, and helping teams connect to a shared purpose. They also discuss why authentic connection matters more than ever in the age of AI, remote work, and digital overload.

Whether you lead a team or simply want stronger relationships in your work and life, this episode offers actionable insights on how anyone can create true connection.

Learn more at barrymoline.com

Show Notes:

00:35 Show intro

01:13 Introducing Barry

01:52 Bart introduces the idea of “connection”

02:24 Barry’s story of how he got to this topic

03:33 Early CEO mistakes

03:47 You’re either with me or against me

04:43 Different culture than he was used to

05:42 Key advice from senior staff: build relationships!

08:16 2017 origin story for why he wrote the book

09:02 Working on a utility solution as an outside consultant

10:06 Does anybody get along anywhere?

11:11 Why doesn’t someone write a book about collaboration?

12:23 Isn’t it the CEO’s job to bring everyone together?

13:01 It’s not the facilitator that is important

13:57 Case study: California’s referendum on gay marriage

14:53 Understanding why people voted “no”

16:05 Door-to-door conversations and outreach

19:03 Bart reflects on the campaign

20:17 What is “connection” and what does it mean for leaders?

20:40 Enter connection lightly

21:19 Using icebreakers

22:17 Specific questions that help create connection

23:14 Avoid “How are you?” completely and go to an icebreaker

23:56 How to move beyond to deeper connections

24:09 Where to find a list of workplace-appropriate icebreakers

24:42 Understanding purpose

25:01 Example of a plumber and their importance to society

25:34 Tell employees what they do is important and why

26:27 Remind people why their work is important

27:01 Managers need to be respectful and caring

27:17 Find out what people really want to do in life

27:48 Example of an aspiring filmmaker and communications leader

29:52 Bart reflects on the example

31:10 Bart plays devil’s advocate

31:41 As an employee, how do you protect yourself while opening up about your interests?

33:44 Both sides of the conversation need to be judicious

34:18 Story and example of an engineer

36:47 What is the state of connection today?

37:04 Connection has gotten worse

37:24 Connection before content

37:51 You have to be intentional about connection

38:31 10 out of 10 times it will work

38:56 It will take 3 months of consistent effort

39:22 Example of hurricane response

41:40 Bart summarizes the importance of the topic

42:27 Where can people go to find more?

43:00 Thank-yous

43:13 Outro

In this episode of The Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal speaks with Breann Kelly, Chief Operating Officer and General Counsel at Ewing Morris, about why a growth mindset is more important than ever.

Breann reflects on her career journey and the choices that shaped it, sharing how a consistent focus on learning and curiosity guided her path from law into the world of investment management. She discusses what it takes to navigate uncertainty, build confidence in new environments, and lead through moments of real pressure, including guiding the firm through the COVID era and helping evolve the business along the way.

A clear through line in the conversation is the power of a growth mindset. Breann shares how a willingness to step into new spaces and learn along the way has shaped her career, and why that mindset continues to matter in a world defined by AI and constant change. Her insights offer a clear lens on how to keep progressing, even when the path ahead is uncertain.

00:23 Standard show intro

01:00 Introducing Breann

01:37 What is Ewing Morris?

02:23 Bart’s disclaimer: I am a client and investor

03:13 Bart introduces the concept of “embracing the growth mindset”

03:47 How it all began for Breann

04:28 Specializing in the asset management space

05:08 BlackRock gig

05:46 Why did you leave the predictable legal profession path?

06:51 Legal profession — live to work rather than work to live

09:10 Moving from BlackRock to Ewing Morris

09:34 Natural ceiling at BlackRock Canada

13:24 Bart observes her ambition for advancement

13:51 What questions should people be asking of their current career path?

14:01 Through-line: passion for learning and growing

14:36 Challenge yourself: if you're not challenging yourself, you're not growing

15:45 The culture shock moving to EM

16:12 New mom + new job

17:21 Imposter syndrome challenge

17:42 You can't learn everyone’s jobs inside out as a manager

18:58 From big support team to team of one

19:04 The buck really stopped with me

19:26 The more you seek reassurance, the more it erodes confidence

21:05 Staying relevant in the age of AI?

21:51 Leading through the COVID era

23:58 The business impact of COVID on the markets

27:34 Fixed vs. growth mindset

28:07 The genesis of the SPV business

28:30 SPVs explained

31:21 Pivoting to wealth management

33:01 Aventine

34:18 Bart observes growth mindset at EM

35:04 Pale, male, and stale

35:41 How to have a growth mindset in turbulent/changing times

35:51 Advice: challenge yourself to always do hard things

36:03 Fostering a growth mindset with her kids

36:27 Always find something hard to do!

Public speaking sits at the heart of leadership, influence, and growth.

For Sebastian Uzcategui, founder of SpeakUp Express, it also became the turning point that shaped his career. What began as a way to promote his work in finance quickly evolved into a deeper focus on speaking, as he discovered a passion for being on stage, telling stories, and connecting with an audience.

In his conversation with Bart Egnal, Sebastian shares how developing his public speaking skills helped him grow his business, and how that momentum led him to expand into speaking full-time and support others in building their presence on stage. He also shares his tips on managing nerves, building an experience for your audience, using movement and delivery to create a stronger connection, and how these skills can help advance your broader business goals.

This is a must-listen for anyone looking to become a more confident, impactful speaker.

To learn more visit SpeakUP.Express

Show notes:

00:31 Show introduction

01:10 Introducing Sebastian

01:49 Why should people care about public speaking

02:54 How Sebastian got his start

03:18 Early days starting businesses in his teens

03:58 Church speaking opportunity

04:50 Speaking solves the 3 most expensive problems in business

05:16 Trust, authority, connection

06:23 People see 6000 to 10000 ads per day

06:45 Cold call rates below 1 percent

06:55 People trust individuals more than brands

07:07 Purpose over profit

07:41 How things moved from the church to speaking business

09:35 Epiphany moment on the speaking business

12:19 Organic growth is the hardest to replicate

13:25 Things that went wrong that made Sebastian better at speaking

14:37 Tune your audience to you and you to them

16:05 Advice for people who want to get into speaking

16:26 You have to believe your message

17:11 You have to believe your audience needs to hear it

17:27 Slow down

18:05 Believe you are the only one to give that message

18:39 Bart’s pharma executive thought experiment

19:58 What makes you a revolutionary speaker

20:12 Focus on impact over product

21:24 What defines an entrepreneur, speaker, and leader

23:20 Nerves, do they go away and how to deal with them

24:42 You will be crushed by nerves, it is normal

25:18 Just be loud!

27:17 Less is more, quality over quantity

27:46 Top speakers build an experience

28:39 You always create an experience when you speak

30:46 Making people care and remember

31:13 The speaking game

33:09 You master your speaking, everything falls into place

33:29 How to find Sebastian

34:40 Thank yous

34:55 Outro

In this episode of The Inspire Podcast, Bart Egnal speaks with award-winning journalist and producer Melanie Marshall about what it really takes to tell stories that resonate.

Drawing on more than 20 years with the BBC, reporting from conflict zones, covering global crises, and leading editorial teams, Melanie shares practical lessons for leaders who want their messages to truly connect.

They explore how to find the human element that brings any story to life, what it takes to stand out in an age of AI generated content, and how to build a clear narrative arc when you are competing for attention. Melanie also shares how leaders can help others develop their storytelling skills and why storytelling has become an essential leadership capability.

Through powerful real-world examples from her career, Melanie shows that storytelling is not just a communication technique, but a way to create meaning, build connection, and inspire action.

If you want to learn more about Melanie, visit her websites: www.melaniemarshall.com and

www.imramamedia.com

00:24 Show Intro

01:03 introducing Melanie

03:03 Her journey to BBC journalism

04:33 Falling in love with journalism

04:57 story of getting placed in Africa instead of entertainment journalism

06:10 Early experiences of going to Africa

06:16 The kindness of other people to teach you

07:46 Coming back to Canada and Tech boom

07:59 Foray into setting up a media company

08:29 Won a venture capital competition

09:03 When it all blew up - I took it hard

09:13 Ended up on "Venture"

09:43 When the venture failed - took it as a personal failure

09:56 Going back to BBC

10:29 Learning to tell stories...

10:49 Firefighting

11:40 Differentiating yourself (including from AI slop)

12:01 Integrity and authenticity on the ground

12:30 How to behave like a human being

12:47 Logging in Brazil story

13:15 Telling abstract stories that reach people

13:51 Finding the human element to bring a story to life

14:33 Really listen to what's happening on the ground

15:02 "bring people there

16:08 Audiences can sense "phoney"

16:34 Next phase of career - from conflict zones

16:52 Those times in life when you have to make a move

17:32 Learning to tell stories in different formats

17:55 Building a narrative arc when you are competing for attention

18:07 Tell the same story in a million ways

20:06 Afgan maternal mortality story + lesson learned

24:13 What is a powerful story?

24:52 3rd phase in her career - Leadership role

27:46 How to teach others to tell stories

27:58 Understand what they are good at

28:27 Journalist Tom's story

30:31 One of Tom Bateman's stories

32:45 What 3 pieces of advice would Melanie give

33:07 start with something you have in common

33:23 Look for details!

34:21 Give people somewhere to go - Hero's Journey

35:09 How to find out more about Melanie

35:42 Thank yous

36:04 Outro

Season 8 kicks off with a timely conversation on what it takes to lead in today’s high-pressure environment.

Bart sits down with Carolyn Lawrence, founder of ClearPath and former Global Head of DEI at Deloitte, and Jennifer Laidlaw, founder of Cre8 Coaching, to explore the growing pressure leaders are facing today, particularly those from diverse backgrounds. As expectations rise and roles continue to expand, many leaders are feeling the weight of increased responsibility and scrutiny, often without clear support on how to navigate it.

Carolyn shares what she’s learned from years of working inside organizations on how to embed inclusion into the way businesses actually operate, not just as programs, but as systems that drive performance. Jennifer brings the complementary perspective of the “inner game,” helping leaders understand how their state of mind shapes how they show up, make decisions, and sustain energy over time.

Together, they offer a practical and honest look at how to navigate these pressures, with clear ideas leaders can apply right away to better support themselves, their teams, and the systems they’re part of.

Show Notes

00:23 Show intro

01:01 Welcoming Carolyn and Jennifer

02:01 The idea for this episode

03:22 How Jennifer and Carolyn partnered

03:57 Carolyn’s passion for equity and inclusion

04:12 Women of Influence organization

04:47 Leading Deloitte’s DEI efforts

05:18 Systematizing DEI

05:48 Avoiding backlash

07:04 Jennifer’s background

07:35 The 30% Club in Canada

08:01 The inner game

08:49 How Carolyn and Jennifer work together

09:13 Combining the inner and systemic revolution

09:59 Responding to the shift away from DEI

10:45 Why many DEI programs faltered

12:15 Getting the tactics wrong

13:26 What leaders are experiencing today

17:14 The pressure of rising to the top

17:48 Example of an executive navigating these challenges

20:04 Addressing inclusion challenges in a constructive way

22:20 Advice for leaders feeling this pressure

23:23 Mindfulness

25:32 How mindfulness helps

26:24 Reality vs the stories we tell ourselves

26:57 Staying grounded in high-pressure environments

28:11 Returning to the present moment

29:47 Working on yourself vs the system

30:21 Three ways to improve organizational systems

31:13 Ask

31:54 Articulate

33:51 Accountability

34:11 Defining visible metrics

34:52 Measuring inclusion

37:22 What success looks like personally

38:09 Getting into flow

40:41 Final advice

42:23 Thank yous

42:42 Outro