The Intentional Career Podcast

Tarzan Kay came to a pivotal moment in 2022 when she had to drastically change her email marketing business. I talked to her when she was fresh off those changes, curious about how she had the courage to get through it. We talk about unethical sales methods, my shocking discovery that we both grew up in the same cult, and how this has affected our businesses.

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. 

My guest is Tarzan Kay. Tarzan is an email marketing expert who teaches how to sell big with truth-infused, story-based emails. She is a former copywriter-for-hire who specializes in emails that are fun to read, and more addictive than Netflix. 

Her online courses teach how to write story-based copy and make consistent sales from a small email list, without using fear or FOMO.  Her company’s mission is to make high-integrity marketing the new status quo for online business.

Interview Highlights:

• Tarzan’s work in email marketing
• When I realized I grew up in the same cult as Tarzan
• How growing up in a coercive control group affects work
• The changes Tarzan has made in her work, after being called in
• The drastic changes she recently made to her business
• Why anti-racism and anti-oppression work is important for the coaching industry

More about Tarzan:

• Tarzan Kay - Website | Instagram

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In this mini-episode, I share my musings on the potential cost of not listening to yourself. Why does ignoring your desires matter anyway? Hint: it’s connected to Career Courage.

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach, and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. 

Highlights:

• Realizing I wasn’t listening to my desires
• Wondering why I don’t listen
• Why does listening to yourself even matter?
• How is listening to yourself connected to Career Courage?

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Diana Alt is a friend and career coach colleague. We talk about her transition from tech into coaching, her 4 Pillars of an Ideal Job, and what to do when your life falls apart. 

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching.

My guest is Diana Alt is a no-BS executive coach and career growth strategist who helps people take charge of aligning life and livelihood. Diana uses her 20+ years of experience in corporate product development roles to help people get out of their own way by building confidence, setting boundaries, and casting a vision for an awesome career and life. She believes work should feel good, not like a long slow march towards oblivion. Diana helps individuals and organizations to make work awesome through her coaching, consulting, and training services. She helps people identify ideal work for them and execute an effective job search strategy. She also helps people identify ways to update the way they work in their current jobs and businesses to align with the life they want.

Interview Highlights:

• Why you should say what you want out loud
• Diana’s transition from the tech industry to coaching
• The importance of Eff You Money
• Losing her husband and becoming a widow at age 34
• Four Pillars of an Ideal Job

More about Diana:

• Connect with Diana Alt - Website | LinkedIn

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This episode is an excerpt from a coaching session with Briana, a freelance writer who recently accepted temporary employment. But even though she’s uncovered some new skills, she’s struggling with it. Does she like this work? Does it mean she’s a failure if she goes back to work for someone else? What about the financial uncertainty of being self-employed?

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. I offered a few of these coaching sessions in fall of 2021, with the intent of sharing them on the podcast. Briana agreed to have this session recorded and we’ve kept her work details purposely vague.

Highlights:

• Why Briana went to work for an employer
• The struggle with uncertainty of temp work
• Discovering skills and working with a team again
• What shifted in Briana’s thinking

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Interview with Chelsea Jay, Leadership Coach. I absolutely loved our conversation on job hopping, red flags at work, having courage in your career, and how to know when it’s time to quit your job.

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. 

My guest is Chelsea Jay. Chelsea is the owner and founder of Seasoned and Growing where she helps professionals across the globe build careers they love! She is a Nationally Certified Resume Writer (1 of only 60), Online Branding Expert, and podcast host of “The Chelsea Jay Experience.” She also holds certifications in career and life coaching.

Chelsea is known throughout the career development industry for her bold, unapologetic, and straight shooter methods when it comes to tackling the job search, building professional brands, and climbing the ladder quickly (with less stress). She helps professionals across the globe rebuild their confidence, improve their mindsets, develop (and execute!) goals, and most importantly, break free from toxic environments in order to build a thriving career.

Interview Highlights:

• Why job hoppers have more interesting resumes and careers
• The benefits of job hopping
• Red flags and intuition in the workplace
• Chelsea’s experience with job hopping and dealing with the reactions of people in her life
• How Chelsea has built her career courage

More about Chelsea:

• Connect with Chelsea Jay - Website | LinkedIn
• The Chelsea Jay Experience podcast - YouTube | Apple Podcasts | Spotify

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Welcome to Season 2!  This season is all about Career Courage and in this episode I want to share my thoughts on the recent trend of “Quiet Quitting.”

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. 

Episode Highlights:

• Why you should define Courage for yourself
• What “Quiet Quitting” is
• Why I think Quiet Quitting is just fine
• How Career Courage relates to Quiet Quitting

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Welcome to the Season 1 Review! In this season’s final episode, we’ll review how my guests went about making career changes. How do you know when it’s time to change something in your career or try something new? Listen to find out the two main reasons my guests have made career changes. You’ll get a taste of each interview from this season and if any of these clips spark your interest, go back and listen to the full episode. Links are included below. 

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. Ready to create your Intentional Career? Schedule a call with me.

Interview Highlights:

[00:38] Welcome to the Season 1 Review - sharing the patterns I’ve noticed in conversations with guests. 

[01:55] Michelle Ward followed her dream of becoming an actress to New York City. But then things started to change. She began to doubt her career hopes and her identity. Listen to Michelle’s interview in Episode 4.

[03:40] Nisha Harichandran was a successful lawyer, who had a secret dream of being a writer. Listen to Nisha’s interview in Episode 10.

[04:42] Wanda Deschamps had a successful career in the charitable sector, but was struggling internally. Her Autism diagnosis at age 46 changed everything. Listen to Wanda’s interivew in Episode 11.

[06:40] Kristine Miguel was growing in her career as an accountant, but she experienced some emotional turmoil that took her off the traditional accounting path. Listen to Kristine’s interview in Episode 2.

[08:26] Teresa Wong is an experienced Copy Writer who wanted to publish her creative writing. Listen to Teresa’s interview in Episode 8.

[11:26] Hope Mirlis is a wedding officiant who started out in the performing arts, and originally said no to officiating weddings. Listen to Hope’s interview in Episode 7.

[14:21] KDC is a mindful relationship coach who has always had multiple jobs, and likes it that way! Part of her career decision making happened as a result of her choosing sobriety. Listen to KDC’s interview in  Episode 5.

[18:32] Joi knew that as a multipassionate creative, she’d have to create her own roles, rather than falling into a career path. Listen to Joi’s interview in Episode 4.

[20:33] I also recorded four solo episodes: 

• Episode 1 - What is an Intentional Career Anyway?
• Episode 6 - Metaphors, Cars, and Jobs
• Episode 9 - 3 Steps to an Intentional Interview
• Episode 12 - Moving Forward with a Bridge Job Class

What insights did you have from Season 1? Email me at [email protected]

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Transcription - Season 1 Review: How to Make a Career Change

Karen: I’m Karen Styles and this is the Intentional Career Podcast. I talk to all kinds of people who take all kinds of paths to work they love. I'm a career and life coach and owner of Flow +Fire coaching. If you’re ready to create your intentional career with the support of a coach, schedule a call with me. There’s a link in the show notes or go to intentionalcareer.co and click the blue “Schedule a Call” button. 

Welcome to the Season1 Review. This is the final episode of Season 1 of the Intentional Career Podcast. Thank you so much for being here. Over the season and through these interviews, I've noticed some themes and patterns that I wanted to highlight and share with you. I'm a person who notices patterns and it helps me as a coach and just as a human when I'm learning from people. 

And in particular, I've noticed some patterns from the guests that I've had on this season and how they went about making changes in their careers. In sharing what I've noticed, I'm definitely going to jump around as I share clips from each of the interviews. It won't be in chronological order, but hopefully, you'll see the thematic connections. 

When you're considering a career change, how do you know when it's time to change something in your career or to try something new? 

What I heard from my guests in our conversations is that there were two things that spurred the desire for change. First, there were internal messages that told them things weren't quite right. And second, there were some external signals or invitations that they responded to. First, the desire to change can come from an internal place and inner voice, inner knowing, sometimes even from emotional turmoil. 

In episode 3, Broadway Dreams to Business Coach, I spoke to Michelle Ward. She had always wanted to be an actress from the time she was a little girl. She knew that this is what she wanted to be when she grew up. She followed her dreams to New York City to pursue acting in theatre. And she spent a few years there in the performing arts, but then things started to change. 

Michelle: Once I was in my mid to late twenties, I finally started listening to the voice that started off as very, very, very tiny in the back of my head. Very quiet that said, Michelle, you don't want to do this anymore. You don't want to do this anymore. You're not going to do this anymore. And I was just, shut up, shut up voice. What are you talking about? It was... such a huge part of my identity was being a musical theatre performer, pursuing acting that it just was so ingrained with who I was that it was like...Once I started questioning that it wasn't only, well, what do I do if I don't do this anymore?

But, who am I? It was that sort of existential... It felt like an ex...

This episode is the audio access to my class, Moving Forward With a Bridge Job.

I taught this virtual class live in the spring of 2021; I’m sharing it here because a bridge job can be a great step in building an intentional career, and we can all benefit from a perspective shift on bridge jobs. It has been edited from the original for audio context.

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. Ready to create your Intentional Career? Schedule a call with me.

Interview Highlights:

[01:25] Welcome, introduction, and overview of the class.

[04:00] What is a bridge job? My definition.

[05:43] Why would someone take a bridge job? Possible reasons.

[09:22] What should you look for in a bridge job? 2 important aspects. If you don’t have them, you’re not in a bridge job, you’re in a hamster wheel job.

[12:46] What could a bridge job give you (beyond time and money)?

[16:08] How long should a person stay in a bridge job?

[20:43] Reasons NOT to take a bridge job.

[22:33] How I ended up in a bridge job at Starbucks.

[27:25] My most recent full-time job - which ended up being a bridge job.

[31:34] Consider the specifics that will be important in defining your bridge job.

[32:56] Question & Response: 

What motivated you to do your bridge job? 

What advice do you usually give to job seekers? 

How do I tone down my resume when I may be overqualified?

[38:10] Conclusion

Resources

• Flow + Fire Coaching - Website | Instagram

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Transcription - Moving Forward with a Bridge Job Class with host Karen Styles

Karen: I’m Karen Styles and this is the Intentional Career Podcast. I talk to all kinds of people who take all kinds of paths to work they love. I'm a career and life coach and owner of Flow +Fire coaching. 

If you’re ready to create your intentional career with the support of a coach, schedule a call with me. There’s a link in the show notes or go to intentionalcareer.co and click the blue “Schedule a Call” button.

In today's episode, I'm doing something a little bit different and I'm sharing the audio of a class that I gave earlier this spring. And the class was titled, "Moving Forward With a Bridge Job." 

Sometimes we all need a job that is not our ideal job, but it actually can move us forward in our careers. And I believe that a bridge job can be a part of creating your intentional career. So it's time to remove some of the shame around it and start to explore just what might be available to us if we look a little bit closer at this bridge job option. 

I do hope you enjoy listening to this class. And if you have any comments, feel free to send me an email [email protected] Now here's the class, "Moving Forward With a Bridge Job." 

Welcome, everyone. Thank you so much for being here today for this talk, this small class on moving forward with a bridge job.

I'm really excited that you are here. I think this is a really important topic because there's a lot of people right now that have bridge jobs. There's a lot of people right now that need bridge jobs. And, I think it's really time to be done with the shame of it. And I think shifting our thinking around bridge jobs can really help us move forward in a more productive way.

So, let's talk about it. Let's normalize it and learn about how we can use bridge jobs in a really intentional way to build our careers. 

First of all, let me introduce myself. My name is Karen Styles. If you haven't met me before, I think most of you I've met. Maybe you found me on social media, some folks are here from LinkedIn and Facebook and Instagram and my email newsletter, but I'm so glad you're here. 

I am a career and life coach. In case you're wondering why I'm not just a career coach, part of that is because sometimes career coach titles get really narrowed to job search. And I really see career coaching as a much bigger look at, what do you want your career to look like within your life? And when people are making changes in their careers, some of the things they encounter, it's not only challenges with the application process or interviewing, but it's also about mindset. Coming up against things in your mind that say, I can't do that. I can't make that change. And that's where life coaching and career coaching really overlap for me. I help folks discover and do work that lights them up. And my website is flowandfire.com. You were probably there to register for this class. So thank you for being here today. 

So what we're going to cover today are these main things. First of all, what is a bridge job? Why take a bridge job? What to look for in a bridge job? 

Also, I'm going to share with you a couple of the bridge jobs that I've had and how those have been important steps in my career, even though some of them weren't the things that I wanted at the beginning.

Let's look at this first, what is a bridge job? 

Now, if you've been following around some of my social media posts, maybe you've seen my definition, but, I would like to hear from you, what do you think is a bridge job? 

From my chat here: a role that helps you move from one to another. Yep. What else? Transition. Something to tide you over. Hmm. Yep. Great example. A lesser job than your previous job. Yeah, it might be. Right. It might be. A job that transitions. Great. These are excellent. Backup job. 

Here's my definition: A bridge job is a position that you take, even though it's not your dream job, maybe it's not exactly perfect for your career, but you choose to take it anyways and it's usually temporary in some way. And the key is that it moves you from one place to another. And I think that metaphor of a bridge is really important because some folks, some career coaches, even, advise survival jobs.

And I just, to be honest, I don't like that term. I hope that you will do more than survive in your job. Right? And not every role is maybe going to be the perfect thing, but it should move you from one place to another. The idea of a bridge is that you go across it. You're not staying there forever and we're aiming higher than just surviving, right? We need to do more than that. 

Let me ask you this, and maybe you can add this in the chat. Why would somebody take a bridge job? What are some reasons someone might need a bridge job? 

 Bills, bills, b...

Wanda Deschamps’s career was successful from the outside, but her mid-life autism diagnosis was the missing piece that helped her make sense of her work and life. In this conversation, we discuss the years leading up to her diagnosis, and how Wanda has become an advocate for the inclusion of disabled peoples in her speaking, writing and consulting work.

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. Ready to create your Intentional Career? Schedule a call with me.

My guest is Wanda Deschamps. She is the founder and principal of Liberty Co – a consultancy focused on increasing the participation level of the neurodiverse population in the workforce with a special emphasis on autism due to Wanda’s own diagnosis at midlife.

A champion for inclusion, she enjoys writing and speaking under the banner of the #InclusionRevolution, a worldwide movement launched in 2018 to spearhead broader thinking about disability – especially disability employment. Wanda is also the catalyst behind the #Women4Women collective focused on gender equality through supporting other women. Combining these two goals provides an avenue for Wanda to be an advocate for women with autism, including as a participant in research into autistic women’s experiences in the workplace.

Interview Highlights:

[01:30] Wanda’s life and career before her autism diagnosis.

[05:00] Fall 2016, Wanda’s mental health hits a crisis point and it becomes a pivotal moment.

[09:16]  Wanda realizes not many autistic women in Canada are sharing their stories, and decides to share hers.

[12:10]  Wanda’s diagnosis leads to clarity, wholeness and self knowledge. 

[15:24] What is different for Wanda now.

[18:34] How Wanda is managing all the changes that have happened in the last few years.

[23:55] What Wanda would tell the past version of herself.

[28:32]  How the Covid-19 pandemic put a spotlight on ableism in the workplace, and why Wanda still has a positive outlook about the future.

[35:00] Wanda’s company is called Liberty Co because confronting the facts brings freedom.

[37:54] Wanda’s shares her career crushes.

Resources

• Wanda’s Consultancy, Liberty Co - Website | Instagram
• “I Was 46 When I Discovered I Was Autistic. Suddenly My Life Made Sense” by Wanda Deschamps - Reader’s Digest Canada
• Autism in Heels by Jennifer Cook O’Toole - Amazon | Indigo
• Caroline Casey and Paul Polman, The Valueable 500 - Website | Instagram
• “I learned I had autism at 46. I now understand myself.” by Wanda Deschamp - Broadview
• #WeThe15 - Website | Instagram | Twitter
• The Honourable Carla Qualtrough - Website | Instagram
• Anita Hill - Wikipedia | Book | Twitter
• The Right Honourable Beverley McLachlin - Wikipedia | Book (Amazon) | Book (Indigo)
• Dr. Wendy Cukier, Founder Ryerson University Diversity Institute - Website |  Twitter | LinkedIn

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Nisha Harichandran was a commercial and corporate lawyer before she followed her dream to become a writer. She recognized her transferable skills, moved countries for love, and listened to the nagging of her inner voice to make big life changes in 2020.

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. Ready to create your Intentional Career? Schedule a call with me.

My guest is Nisha Harichandran. Nisha is a business story teller, caption and content writer. She has 15 years’ experience as a lawyer. Simplifying complex material in a clear and easy to understand way is her superpower. Writing is her passion and she loves to write a variety of pieces for diverse businesses.  She got a fresh start in 2020 when she moved to Cardiff, Wales and decided to pursue writing full time. Her blog, Bohemian Crossing is a book club for her readers, and she set up Bohem Notes with a vision to empower businesses to share their stories.

*Note to Listeners*: We will be taking a short break from our usual biweekly schedule to enjoy the rest of the summer. The Intentional Career Podcast will be back in the fall of 2021.

Interview Highlights:

[01:42] Nisha looks back on how she started as a lawyer.

[04:07] Law isn’t like the legal dramas on TV. Nisha works in commercial and corporate law in Malaysia, India and Thailand. But being a writer was always her dream job.

[07:05] Nisha decides to explore blogging. She later moves to Wales to be with her husband, instead of continuing her marriage long-distance.

[11:08] The mission of her blog, Bohem Notes and the Growing in Lockdown Series

[14:48] How her career as a writer is different than before

[18:50] The biggest resistance she encountered was the voice in her head.

[27:00] What helped Nisha in making this career change

[34:10] Nisha’s career crushes and what she would tell her past self. 

Resources:

• Bohemian Crossing Blog - Website | Instagram
• Growing in Lockdown Blog Series - Website
• Everything is Figureoutable by Marie Forleo - Amazon | Indigo

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Transcription - From Lawyer to Writer with Nisha Harichandran

Nisha Harichandran was a commercial and corporate lawyer before she followed her dream to become a writer. She recognized her transferable skills, moved countries for love, and listened to the nagging of her inner voice to make big life changes in 2020.

I’m your host, Karen Styles, Career + Life Coach and owner of Flow + Fire Coaching. Ready to create your Intentional Career? Schedule a call with me.

Karen: Today, my guest is Nisha Hari Chandran. Nisha is a business storyteller, caption and content writer. She has 15 years of experience as a lawyer and simplifying complex material in a clear and easy way to understand is her superpower. Writing is her passion and she loves to write a variety of pieces for diverse businesses.

She got a fresh start in 2020 when she moved to Cardiff, Wales and decided to pursue writing full-time. Her blog, Bohemian Crossing, is a book club for her readers and Bohem Notes has a vision to empower businesses, to share their stories. Welcome, Nisha. I'm so glad to have you here.

Nisha: Hi, Karen, thank you so much for having me. 

Karen: Yeah, it's great to have you, we met on Instagram, right? That was fun. Yeah.

Nisha: I mean, it's a celebration of connections, isn't it. Like attracts, like, you know, you send out this message to the universe. Like I've got the story to tell at somebody, please hear me out. And there you are just opened your doors and welcomed me. So thank you so much. 

Karen: I got a DM and I thought this is really interesting. So, your story really intrigued me because you mentioned you were a lawyer for 15 years. And then you moved your whole life, to Wales and started writing full time. So let's go back to your career as a lawyer. Maybe tell us what life was like there. And how was it that you started to get the sense that things needed to change?

Nisha: You know, Karen, it all started in Wales actually 15, 18 years ago. So inspired by all the enlightened books that I read as a child. I always craved this adventure and living in boarding school. I know it's just exploration. And I had applied for my university education to do my undergraduate studies and there was a position offered at Cardiff University. So I had come here and pursued my undergraduate degree. So it all started in Wales.

Karen: And where were you before that? 

Nisha: In Malaysia. I'm born and brought up in Malaysia. So this tropical child, sunshine, loving angel, who doesn't really stay much in the sun in Malaysia because it's so humid. And I wanted this adventure. My parents said, Okay. And my dad, a little bit of tough love. He said, Okay on one condition you are going, but you're completing your studies. And then coming back, there's no running back and forth for every summer vacation or winter holidays. Like you don't make the most of it. And I was like, Yeah thank you. I'm just going to go all out, explore, learn.

And Cardiff was such a welcoming city, a bit more relaxed in terms of pace-wise, compared to some of the bigger cities. It's a university city in a way and it was so welcoming. So this is where I spent my three years as an undergraduate. I went on to London and completed my bar vocational course and got called to Lincoln's Inn, which is one of the oldest inns in the UK.

And I went back to Malaysia after that and completed my pupilage, which is your 12-month training, sort of like an articleship and got my stages, as a practicing lawyer. Law was fun. I would say you don't really get those inter...