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My guest for this episode is Ali Watkins, author of “This Next One’s For You”, a book which explores the world of Irish-American gun-running in the early days of the troubles in Philadelphia and New York and how this impacted the conflict.

We discuss Clan na Gael, an Irish-American group that pre-date the IRA and how they have been aiding the Irish Republican movement for decades and their efforts to arm the Provos however they could. Ali tells us about the methods they used to get the rifles from the US to the North of Ireland, the mistake that began the US Department of Justice’s investigation into them and how the FBI & ATF eventually ended their run, resulting in the famous “Philadelphia Five” trial. 

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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Who are CLAN NA GAEL ?
4:53 Philly’s connection to Ireland 
7:35 Vince Conlon
10:20 Clan Na Gael & NORAID overlap 
14:05 Were NORAID involved in g*n-running ?
16:15 Logistics of the g*n-running scheme 
21:40 FBI & ATF take on Clan Na Gael 
32:35 John Casey (“the tout”)
36:40 “The Philadelphia 5” Trial 
48:38 Vince Conlon II
51:25 Researching the book

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