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We spend billions protecting satellites in orbit — and almost nothing protecting the factories, launch sites, and supply chains that make space power possible. So are we defending space in the wrong place?
In this special in-person episode of The ISR Debrief, Chad Hartman sits down in Los Angeles with the team behind The Integrity Flash: space and counterspace analysts Greg Gillinger, Alison Sayer, and Ron Lerch. Sparked by Ukraine's strike on Russia's Progress Rocket Space Center, they dig into the terrestrial vulnerabilities the space community rarely talks about — and what the U.S., Russia, and China are getting right and wrong.
CHAPTERS
00:00 The question: are we protecting the wrong things?
02:36 Ukraine strikes Russia's Progress Rocket Space Center
06:37 Short-term vs. long-term impact
10:57 Can Russia rebuild — or go commercial?
19:23 Space resiliency extends to the ground
21:24 Midnight Hammer, Epic Fury & space as a target set
26:55 What is China doing differently?
29:49 What the U.S. can learn from China
33:33 Are we protecting the wrong things?
38:08 The Last 5%: the one vulnerability to fix first
43:14 Space power begins on the ground
GUESTS
Chad Hartman — SVP, Global Solutions, Integrity ISR; retired USAF intelligence colonel and former NATO Targeting and Collection Management Authority.
Greg Gillinger — SVP, Strategy & Development, Integrity ISR; 26 years USAF across strategic intelligence and space operations.
Alison Sayer — USAF veteran and space/counterspace analyst with 20+ years in intelligence and strategic analysis.
Ron Lerch — retired USSF intelligence chief master sergeant; 23+ years in space and counterspace.
Integrity Flash — our twice-monthly space & national-security intelligence brief: https://integrityflash.com
ISR University: https://isruniversity.com
Integrity ISR: https://integrityisr.com
The tools of warfare are changing faster than the doctrine. So are we training intelligence professionals for the fight that's coming — or the one we already fought?
In Episode 3 of The ISR Debrief, host Wesley Rose sits down with three retired U.S. Air Force intelligence leaders — Chad Hartman, Jason "Stutz" Stutzman, and Jeff "Monty" Montgomery — for a candid conversation on how the intelligence community trains its people for a fight that changes by the year. They break down why the classic intelligence cycle strains at the tactical edge, how live-virtual-constructive (LVC) training lets analysts fail fast and learn faster, the cost-asymmetry problem of cheap drones against expensive interceptors, and the real role of AI in analysis and training — with one throughline: a good analyst is still a good analyst.
GUESTS
Chad Hartman — SVP, Global ISR Solutions, Integrity ISR; retired USAF intelligence colonel and former NATO targeting and collection management authority.
Jason "Stutz" Stutzman — Site Lead & Program Manager, Integrity ISR; retired USAF intelligence major who led the Department's largest multi-service intelligence training squadron.
Jeff "Monty" Montgomery — Senior Instructor & Course Developer, Integrity ISR; retired USAF intelligence lieutenant colonel with 29 years in intelligence, collection management, targeting, and training.
The Integrity Flash — our twice-monthly space & national-security intelligence brief covering adversary capabilities, emerging threats, and the trends shaping the space domain: [FLASH LINK]
ISR University — mission-ready training and professional development across ISR, space, electronic warfare, and targeting: https://isruniversity.com
Integrity ISR: https://integrityisr.com
Next episode: Chad and Wes travel to Los Angeles to sit down in person with the authors behind The Integrity Flash.
The ISR Debrief is produced by Integrity ISR, with education and professional development powered by ISR University.
What happens when the weapons that shaped the last generation of warfare are no longer enough for the next?
In Episode 2 of the ISR Debrief, host Wesley Rose is joined by Chad Hartman (Senior Vice President of Global ISR Solutions at Integrity ISR, retired US Air Force Intelligence Colonel) and retired US Air Force Colonel Tom Dobbs, who spent 33 years leading intelligence organizations across the Pacific, Europe, Africa, and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
Together, they break down the biggest ISR and defense stories out of this week's NATO summit — why Ukraine is manufacturing Patriot missiles, how autonomous systems are changing the battlefield, and why artificial intelligence may become the most decisive capability of the next generation of conflict.
Modern warfare is changing fast. The side that finds, fixes, tracks, targets, and engages first may hold the decisive advantage in the next major conflict.
In this first episode of The ISR Debrief, we break down why intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, targeting, and multi-domain operations are becoming central to modern war. We discuss lessons from Ukraine, Russia, Iran, the South China Sea, and the Pacific — and why the future fight may be decided by sensors, kill chains, kill webs, and the ability to act faster than the adversary.
Topics covered:
ISR, targeting, F2T2EA, kill chains, kill webs, maritime operations, drones, satellites, electronic warfare, China, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, and the future of multi-domain operations.
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The ISR Debrief is a podcast from Integrity ISR hosted by Chad Hartman.
Each episode breaks down the technologies, operations, trends, and decisions shaping today's intelligence and national…
Every episode begins with Headliners—a quick look at the biggest stories and developments making news across the defense, intelligence, and space communities. Then Chad joins Wes Rose, special guests, or members of the Integrity ISR team for a deeper discussion on one critical topic affecting today's warfighters, analysts, and decision-makers.
Whether you're a military professional, intelligence practitioner, government leader, industry partner, student, or simply interested in the future of national security, The ISR Debrief delivers practical insights, expert perspectives, and real-world context you won't find in the headlines alone.
New episodes released regularly.