Vince Craig is an ex-Special Air Service Regiment soldier, historian with a PhD, and author of Never Get Off The Train, a semi-fictional account of his time as a foreign military advisor in Ukraine. From joining the army the day Elvis died in 1977 to serving in K-Troop doing freefall parachuting and working with US Navy SEALs, Vince brings decades of military experience and a unique perspective on modern warfare. Join us as we explore his remarkable journey from SAS operator to university academic, his decision to leave everything behind and fly into an active war zone just three weeks after Russia invaded Ukraine, and the extraordinary experiences that followed across multiple deployments training Ukrainian forces alongside Americans, Brits, Kiwis, Norwegians, Danes, and fighters from across the world.
We dive deep into Vince's first chaotic days in Poland, knocking on the Ukrainian Embassy door in Warsaw, sleeping in a copse of trees after missing train connections, being woken by police at 5:30am while eating beans from a can, and arriving at the Polish-Ukrainian border to find a scene nothing like the orderly refugee operation he expected—complete with a cardinal blessing people, a guy on a unicycle throwing balls, and French tents abandoned like a scene from Dunkirk. Vince shares stories of guarding refugee women and children from human traffickers and pedophiles, filling shopping trolleys with pasta and water to distribute across the border, and the moment he realized that even in humanitarian crises, organizations don't want to share their toys because they want all the glory.
The conversation takes a compelling turn as we explore what Kiev was like in those early days when it resembled I Am Legend with Will Smith, completely empty streets with tank traps everywhere, and the reality of training Ukrainian forces who took two weeks to learn basic weapons safety procedures. Vince explains why he sees the Ukrainian military in 2022 as similar to Australia in 1914—a militia force, not ready, with only a small core of professional soldiers—and how units varied wildly from elite groups like Azov to units commanded by podcast hosts and guys who could do lots of chin-ups. We discuss the shocking reality that a Ukrainian Major who served in Iraq couldn't run a basic range practice, why officers were chosen because they owned petrol stations or had cousins in government, and how Vince and his team worked to implement NATO-standard training across diverse units.
We tackle the brutal realities of the conflict, from Vince nearly dying of pneumonia on his first trip and having a US Navy corpsman check his vitals at 3am, to experiencing air raids in Mykolaiv where rockets landed close enough to make him put his helmet on, to the philosophy that two things get you killed—bad luck and fuck ups—and sometimes there's nothing you can do about bad luck. Vince opens up about the soldiers he trained who later invaded Russia and sent him photos holding the Ukrainian flag in Russian territory, the heartbreaking reality that many of those guys are now dead, and why Ukraine is so short of men that nuclear physicists get sent to assault brigades instead of using their skills where they're actually needed.
The episode explores Ukrainian culture and resilience, from experiencing Banya saunas so hot that men just sit there grunting to force out the pain, to meeting Vitali Klitschko the heavyweight champion and mayor of Kiev standing next to knocked-out Russian tanks displayed in front of St. Michael's Church, to playing guitar and singing under railway stations for morale until police moved them along. We discuss why Ukrainians are the toughest people Vince has encountered, how they've already rebuilt towns like Bucha that were destroyed because their mindset is "you're not getting back here," the sophistication of Ukrainian cities with shopping malls that make Australian ones look like dirt farms, and why their innovation with drones, floating bombs, and improvised weapons is leading the world.
We examine the human cost of the conflict, why smaller towns and villages bear the recruiting burden while young people skateboard in Kiev, the conscription age and meat grinder reality for soldiers sent to units with officers who don't care, the woman at the souvenir stand who started crying when Vince told her "you're not alone," and why he keeps going back despite the financial cost and physical toll. Vince shares his thoughts on what Australia should do to support Ukraine, why giving them our mothballed helicopters instead of cutting them up would make a difference, the challenge of finding an off-ramp for Russia that doesn't require Ukraine to cede territory, and his disappointment that Trump hasn't brokered the deal he hoped for.
Get Vince's book Never Get Off The Train at www.vincecraig.com.au