In this episode of The Ladder, host John Reitman talks with Ron Freking, superintendent at Devou Golf and Event Center in Covington, Kentucky, about a career in public golf and how that might be appealing to future superintendents in the current golf economy.

Freking was a mechanic in the Air Force when he went to work for his father, who at the time was a golf course superintendent. Today, 30 years later, he continues to maintain one of the hilliest and busiest golf courses in the Cincinnati area.