The Late Run

In this episode of The Late Run, Chad Ochocinco and Raheem Taylor-Parkes sit down with USMNT legend Tim Howard live from Premier League Fan Fest in Denver. Howard reflects on joining Manchester United and training alongside Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney and Roy Keane, explains the standard Sir Alex Ferguson established and why beating United moved him to tears, then breaks down the state of American goalkeeping and what today’s USMNT needs to compete with the world’s best.

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Football Is Life! You know Cristo Fernández as Dani Rojas from Ted Lasso, but his soccer dream started long before AFC Richmond. He joins Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Raheem Taylor-Parkes to explain how knee injuries changed his path, how his football skills helped him land Ted Lasso and why he returned to professional soccer with El Paso Locomotive FC.

Cristo shares the real story behind Dani Rojas, Jason Sudeikis's advice about the catchphrase and the fan encounter he'll never forget. Plus: chasing acting and soccer dreams, refusing to write yourself off at 30, and a Messi-or-Ronaldo answer that gets Ocho fired up.

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Andrew Schulz and Mark Gagnon pull up to The Late Run, and Ocho finally gets the GOAT answer he's been waiting for. Andrew says Messi is more skilled, but Cristiano is the more dominant force on the pitch, and then argues Messi "never played at the highest level" because the rest of La Liga was "guys working at Trader Joe's." Andrew also admits he lived in Barcelona during its heyday and went to zero games at Camp Nou, tells the story of politely asking Myles Garrett and Chloe Kim to move out of his seat in a World Cup final suite, and accepts Ocho's FIFA challenge after Ocho spots him four goals.

Then the crew tries to find Andrew a Premier League team (Ocho is pushing Tottenham hard). They break down why American soccer players lack personality, and get into why US clubs make nothing when they develop players. Andrew's answer to what it'll take for America to love soccer: "We just gotta win." Plus: Andrew's Street Fighter role, Ocho's boxing knockdown, and which star is the Andrew Schulz of world football.

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In this episode of The Late Run, Chad Ochocinco and Raheem Taylor-Parkes sit down with comedian and creator Corey B to discuss how IShowSpeed and a new generation of creators are making soccer cool in America, why MLS needs more personalities like Zlatan Ibrahimović, and what American soccer still gets wrong about youth development and pay-to-play.

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World Cup winner, Bayern legend and now MLS star Thomas Müller pulls up to The Late Run, and Ocho, who admits he went 14 years without a trophy, finally gets to live vicariously through someone who's won it all. Thomas takes us back to the countryside club where his cousins handed him a ball, why always being the youngest forced him to get creative, and the day Louis van Gaal looked down the bench and said, "you, you there - let's try this guy."
Then it gets real: the 2015 Man United offer worth a reported €100M, why he was ready to follow his mentor — and why he was glad Bayern said no ("okay, you're our guy"). Ocho matches it with the two first-round picks Washington offered for him. Thomas explains why you can doubt your performances but never your base, what Jürgen Klopp has to fix in a Germany side he says has lost its mentality, and what it felt like to walk into the locker room 5-0 up on Brazil in a World Cup semi-final — before spending the last 15 minutes running away from David Luiz. And when Ocho asks the GOAT question, Thomas admits he was with Cristiano for ten years… until he looked at the bigger picture.

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USMNT head coach Mauricio Pochettino pulls up to The Late Run. The former Argentina international joins Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson and Raheemovic to break down why he committed to the U.S. through 2030, what American soccer needs to change to compete with the world's best, and why he believes young players like Cavan Sullivan, Julian Hall and Neil Pierre are ready for the international stage.

Pochettino also looks back on the controversial penalty he gave away against England at the 2002 World Cup, explains why he prefers football without VAR, and opens up about managing some of the biggest personalities in the game, including Lionel Messi, Neymar and Kylian Mbappé. Plus: Ocho weighs in on Neymar's legacy, Poch explains why "one plus one plus one" doesn't always equal three in football, and of course, the GOAT debate... his answer is Messi.

CHAPTERS:
0:00 — Cold Open
0:52 — Welcome Mauricio Pochettino
2:04 — Why Poch Is Staying With the USMNT Through 2030
5:36 — What Is American Soccer Missing?
8:48 — The Biggest Challenge With the U.S. Soccer System
10:42 — Real Talk: Life After Playing
15:12 — Preparing Athletes for Life After Sports
16:39 — The 2002 World Cup Penalty vs. England
18:45 — Poch Wants Football Without VAR
21:02 — Neymar's Legacy
25:30 — ChatGPT Work
26:16 — 85 Always Open: Managing Messi, Neymar & Mbappé
28:45 — The Next Generation of USMNT Stars
30:35 — Why Some Young Stars Never Reach Their Potential
32:59 — The GOAT Question
34:18 — What's Next for Pochettino?
36:12 — Outro

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The future of American soccer pulls up to The Late Run. Julian Hall, the New York Red Bulls striker who signed his first pro contract at 15 and never set foot in a high school joins Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson and Raheemovic in front of a live crowd (with his mom in the building). He talks about recording two assists against Messi and Inter Miami, the debut at 15 where he felt like he was "about to pass out," and the decision everyone's waiting on: Poland or USA?Plus: Ocho tells the story of the trade the Bengals refused (two first-round picks on the table), and Julian breaks down why he models his game on Robert Lewandowski, and of course the GOAT debate... he picks Messi.

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Comedian Kam Patterson pulls up on The Late Run live and finally gets in a room with the man he's supposedly beefing with. Raheem asks what actually happened with Ocho on Club Shay Shay,

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Ocho finally sits down with his favorite player and COUSIN (at least according to the paperwork he brought) - Son Heung-Min. Sonny opens up about the call he almost ignored, “No way going to the MLS", and the years of LAFC persistence that changed his mind. He shares why the packed American stadiums still surprise him every single week. Then Son takes us back to leaving Korea for Germany at 16 years old, where he learned the language by watching SpongeBob, and the discipline that journey built in him.
Son goes deep into the Spurs years: the best team he ever played on, the Amsterdam Miracle night Lucas Moura scored three goals, what the night before a Champions League final actually feels like, and Harry Kane's real secret - "it's not gifted." He remembers telling a 19-year-old Dele Alli he'd end up at Real Madrid or Barcelona, and how hard it was to watch his "little brother" go downhill. And when Ocho asks the GOAT question, Sonny gives the most honest answer the show has ever heard: his idol is Ronaldo… but Messi? "I can't disagree."

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Comedian Godfrey pulls up on The Late Run and gives Raheem and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson the most honest take American soccer has heard: he never wants the USA to win a World Cup, and he's got reasons. He breaks down how Nigeria's government wasted a generation of talent while Pablo Escobar was out here funding Colombian soccer, crowns Pele over everybody, does a Kevin Garnett impression that needs to be studied, and finally gives Ocho his flowers for actually knowing ball.

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