The Law Firm Owners Podcast

My next guest is Mike Leeman, Managing Partner at Bell Lamb & Joynson Solicitors, an award‑winning law firm with a 204‑year heritage and offices across Liverpool, Runcorn, Maghull, Warrington and Ashton‑in‑Makerfield.

Mike is committed to leading the strategy behind the firm's growth while maintaining operational excellence and keeping client care front and centre.

Under his stewardship, the firm continues to modernise service delivery, and since becoming Managing Partner in 2019, he has overseen a 20% annual growth in turnover.

Mike has also gained national recognition for providing private client services to thousands of clients each year, with his firm recognised in The Legal 500 for criminal defence, over 2,200 5-star online reviews, and multiple awards across various departments.

Today, we’re covering why exceptional customer service is the heartbeat of a high‑performing B2C law firm and the practical steps owners can take to embed this ethos in every client interaction.

Bell Lamb & Joynson Solicitors: https://www.bljsolicitors.co.uk/

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms across the country daily through its referral network, Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but it also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan can also show you strategies that have increased his clients' law firm revenues by 15% to over 300% in one year while reducing their workload by more than half.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add Dan on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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My guest today is Mel Kang, the founder and Board member of Mezzle, a law firm built for the more entrepreneurial lawyer who embraces legal tech and the modern ways of working, rather than the often outdated and slow traditional ways.

Mezzle offers time, location and financial freedom to lawyers wishing to join one of the fastest-growing law firms in the U.K.

He’s also a Co-founder of Orange7, which is on a mission to build a legal AI company ready for today’s AI world. Its aim is to help lawyers work faster and easier using cutting-edge AI tools.

And more recently, he’s become a board member at Adam & Remers, which is an established traditional law firm with a deep heritage in England & Wales.

It’s now under the ownership of LawSync, and the leadership team is mandated to continue the legacy of Adams & Remers as an anchor firm to attract more high-quality brands to our ever-increasing M&A pipeline.

On today’s episode, we’re covering law firm growth through acquisition.

Connect with Mel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mel-kang/

Mezzle Law: https://www.mezzlelaw.com/

Orange7: https://www.orange7.ai/products

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add Dan on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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Joining us today is Felix Riley, a keynote speaker and strategist, whose talk, 'Lawyers vs. The Machine,' has been sparking conversation across the legal sector.

He’s a former City trader and successful entrepreneur turned business strategist and creativity expert, helping law firms prepare their people for the coming age of AI.

With a background spanning finance, writing for the BBC, publishing thrillers with Penguin and copper mining in Zambia, Felix brings a unique mix of experience and visionary thinking to solving challenges in today’s outdated legal sector.

Today, we're covering why it’s not rigour but creative thinking that makes law firms thrive.

http://www.felixriley.com

http://www.brilliant-thinking.com

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add Dan on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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My next guest is Olha Bodnar, the founder of Ethos Leads, who has spent over 10 years in legal marketing across Canada, the U.S., and Europe.

She helps law firm owners use brain-based, ethical messaging to win more right-fit clients.

On this episode, we're covering the 6-step neuromarketing sequence that law firm owners can use to turn overwhelmed prospects into retained clients.

Resources for law firm growth: https://ethosleads.com/resources

Connect on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/olhabodnar

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add Dan on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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My guest today is Adam Strong, who helps M&A teams build a 'strategic exit advisory' function that they can add to their usual suite of legal services.

It’s a framework that transforms a law firm from a late-stage legal service provider into an early-stage strategic partner.

Adam also hosts the Business Strategist podcast that receives over 4000 downloads a month.

Adam is also the best-selling author of Play the Game and two books, and is known for increasing law firm revenue and market share.

Today, we’re covering why most law firms stagnate and how to break through with a competitive edge.

Adam's social media links: https://linktr.ee/adamstrongofficial

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamistrong/

Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/4vKVMmsZ4MwVooQOlEAzrd

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add Dan on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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My guest today is Dana Denis-Smith, who has been awarded an OBE, which is a recognition of an Officer of the Order of the British Empire. It’s a prestigious British honour and is the second-highest rank in the Order of the British Empire.

Dana is a prominent legal sector leader, serving as CEO of Obelisk Support and founder of the First 100 Years campaign.

Dana founded Obelisk Support in 2010, providing flexible legal solutions for clients.

The First 100 Years campaign, launched in 2014, led the celebrations surrounding the centenary of women in law and has now evolved into Next 100 Years.

Dana is widely respected for her advocacy in gender equality, entrepreneurship and legal technology.

Recognised with numerous awards and honours, including an OBE for services to women in law (2024).

She was elected Deputy Vice President of the Law Society of England and Wales in 2025 and is very likely to become President in 2027.

Dana also serves on the Law Society Council, representing women solicitors and advocating for diversity, equity and inclusion.

She is also a TEDx and keynote speaker, described as a “voice of reason” on law sector topics.

Today, we're covering how to achieve growth in an age of uncertainty.

Dana’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ddenissmith/

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add Dan on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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My guest today is Philip Devenish, a partner at Jones Day, which has offices in Dubai & London.

Philip dedicates his practice to dispute resolution and is renowned for resolving the most challenging, complex, and high-value international disputes. Over the past eight years, he has won or settled more than 95 per cent of his cases, with only one loss in over 8 years.

Philip has obtained billions of dollars for global corporations and financial institutions in some of the largest cross-border disputes of the past decade, as ranked by The American Lawyer.

His landmark victories include a 1.1 billion U S dollar damages award against Russia for the expropriation of banking investments in Crimea.

On the defence side, he successfully settled a $2 billion U S dollar dispute for Saudi Arabia on a drop-hands basis during the Qatar diplomatic crisis.

He is listed in The Legal 500 UK's Arbitration Powerlist of lawyers who are "deemed the gold standard by businesses" and is ranked by The Arbitrators as the top arbitration lawyer in the UAE.

Today, what we’re covering are the three secrets to winning high-value cases

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add Dan on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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My guest today is Michael Burne, the founder of Carbon and

Bamboo.He qualified as a solicitor in 1995 and, since 2010, has been challenging the way things are done in the legal sector.

Michael has experience from City law firms, a listed professional services business, and has led large-scale merger, acquisition and integration projects over the last 25 years.

He also recently launched a new Charity, Pioneer 7R, and is a director of a cricket club, which is also run as a charity.

In today’s episode, Why culture is vital for performance.

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add him on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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My guest today is the renowned David Burns, an equity partner at Ronald Fletcher Baker LLP, listed as a ‘leading Partner’ in the Legal 500 for corporate occupiers, and recommended for property litigation and commercial litigation.

The firm was founded in 1948 and now has around 140 employees, walk-in offices in Baker Street, Old Street, Exeter and Manchester, and some new offices opening soon.

On today’s episode, what we’re covering are the secrets to client trust and building a thriving culture

https://rfblegal.co.uk/

https://rfblegal.co.uk/people/david-burns/

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add him on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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Today I have one switched-on lady with me, Etiosa Agbonlahor

Etinosa is a behavioural economist and CEO of Decision Alpha, a behavioural pricing firm that helps businesses, including law firms, improve pricing for growth, traction, and stronger perceived value.

Etinosa is passionate about helping people live healthier financial lives, she brings over a decade of experience working across the U.S., Australia, Africa, and the U.K.—shaping pricing, engagement, and customer behavior strategy for global financial institutions and venture-backed startups.

Her work has been featured in MarketWatch, Morningstar, and other leading platforms, highlighting her focus on how behaviour drives financial outcomes.

Etinosa is the author of How to Talk to Your Parents About Money, a guide to navigating complex financial conversations.

Today, were covering Pricing effort, not outcomes, in an AI world

Here’s a link to Etinosa’s behavioural pricing playbook: playbook.decisionalpha.co

About Myerson Connections:
Myerson Solicitors is a 100% employee-owned independent law firm based in Altrincham, Greater Manchester.

Myerson supports many other law firms throughout the country on a daily basis through its referral network – Myerson Connections.

Not only does Myerson help other law firms with referrals, but also provides free peer-to-peer education, knowledge sharing and practice management support.

Discover more at myerson.co.uk/connections.

About Dan:
Currently, Dan is seeking a London Law Firm turning over £1.5M to £6M to invest in, so if you are interested in receiving investment to grow or sell your law firm or know someone who might be, please contact Dan on: [email protected]

Dan also provides law firm owners with skills that increase their profitability while reducing their workload. He can show you strategies that have grown his clients' revenues from 15% to over 300% while more than halving their workload in less than a year.

To find out more about Dan and his programs, click here: https://www.danwarburton.com/

Or add him on LinkedIn here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/authordanwarburton/

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