Several books have recently been released on the problem of narcissism in the church. When we mix this with some high-profile examples of pastors gone wrong, the ego-centric leader becomes an important issue to consider.

While we may not have evidence of legions of diagnosed clinical narcissists in the church, we can all point to church leaders with ego problems - not that surprising when church leadership can come with attached power and status.

So, Megan Powell du Toit and Michael Jensen ask how do we deal with the potential ego problem of leadership? Step one: interview Professor David Starling about his research into New Testament approaches to leadership.

Then the WADR team follow this up with a discussion on whether our whole approach to leadership is wrong, before finishing with a surprising movie on leadership, Disney's Encanto.

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