Kate and Rhia chat with Neil Handwerker and Kimberly Fine, founders of ex judicata, the only employment site specifically designed to help lawyers find nonlegal jobs. Lawyers are told that their law degrees will open all sorts of doors for them, but they often feel stuck and struggle to find suitable alternative careers.Kim and Neil saw this gap and wanted to help attorneys apply their degrees and experience to nonlegal work. From their attorney-specific career diagnostic to a tool that helps...

This episode was originally supposed to be a discussion of recent DEI team layoffs, then a lighthearted career clarity session between Rhia and Kate. But when recording happened… that wasn’t the vibe.Instead of the career clarity portion, Josey, Kate, and Rhia grappled with their feelings around the recent IFV decision in Alabama. In what is maybe our most vulnerable episode yet, you’ll hear tears, laughter, and some much-needed venting. Plus, they manage to tie the issue back to why DEI is c...

This week, Kate and Rhia are joined by Career Coach and recovering perfectionist, Jordana Confino. Jordana shares her high achiever origin story, from chasing achievement in high school, to law school at Yale, to a series of career choices that kept burning her out. She then shares how she used science-backed, positive psychology to go from debilitating anxiety to thriving in a career where she helps others get out from under the thumb of their “inner drill sergeant.” If you feel li...

This episode contains references to genocide, violence, and self-harm. Listener discretion is advised. On their first guest episode together, Kate and Rhia interview Vanessa Joy, champion of equality and communication, Host/Executive Producer of the Transcending Humanity podcast, and former political candidate (who also happens to be transgender).Vanessa talks about her leadership philosophy and the exhaustion that comes with job hunting while trans, then gets into her disqualifica...

We’re baaaaack! In the Season 2 premiere Kate, Josey, and new cohost Rhia Batchelder nerd out about crosswords, logic games, and puzzles. Then they dive into that Jo Koy comment at the Golden Globes, Barbie’s Oscar snubs, and how those events reflect the burnout crisis among women.**At the time of this recording, we hadn’t seen the news about the snubs of The Color Purple. We’ll be addressing that in a later episode, closer to the Oscars. If you're interested in purchasing the book Rhia ...

We know we said we were done, but we couldn’t end a season with 13 episodes. It’s too spooky. So in honor of Halloween, Kate and Josey got together in Seattle for a special bonus episode.Dressed as best friends Keeley and Rebecca from Ted Lasso, Kate and Josey were quizzed by Kate’s real-life best friend Larkin Harrington (AKA Ted) on how well they know each other after doing a season of the podcast.In this episode, you'll learn all sorts of things about Kate and Josey, like:How many tat...

In the final episode of the first season, Kate and Josey take a deeper dive into their most recent, shared burnout experience, including how constant change is a recipe for quick and severe burnout, and how hopping to something "easier" from the legal field can make you feel unentitled to burn out.They also discuss what they’ve learned this season, address things they wish they'd addressed in earlier episodes, and shout out some folks who made this season possible.We want to thank every singl...

WARNING: This episode contains discussions of, and references to, sexual assault and abortion. Listener discretion is advised.On our final guest episode of the season, we’re joined by Chloe Diaz, who gets real about all the unspoken rules law school and the legal profession are riddled with. Chloe opens up about her difficult experience as a first-gen law student, and how clear it became that the legal space was designed to exclude her. From how you eat to how you dress, these rules are ...

This week, Henry Nelson-Case, aka That Corporate Lawyer, discusses his burnout experience on what he calls “the most unhinged podcast I’ve been on.”This episode set the record for longest recording time of any yet at over 2 ½ hours. But because Henry, Kate, and Josey got on too well and couldn’t stop laughing, they only got 45 minutes of serious content. The rest, which contains tales of Henry and Josey’s dating lives, many references to Xanax, and a lot of howling laughter, will remain...

In the most universally applicable episode yet, anti-burnout coach and former Biglaw attorney Rhia Batchelder joins Kate and Josey to talk about her journey from working in New York firms to building her own business. Rhia gives a ton of actionable tips on how to prevent and recover from burnout, as well as advice for companies on how to build anti-burnout cultures.On top of all that, Rhia, Kate, and Josey nerd out about the Enneagram, analyze that challenging moment when men realize that not...