In this episode we welcome Dr. Charles Whalen to talk about his journey as an institutional economist, discussing the influence and work of economists such as John R. Commons and Hyman Minsky. We also discuss Whalen's edited work "Institutional Economics: Perspectives and Methods in Pursuit of a Better World", which features a chapter on institutional economic methods in the tradition of Allan Schmid co-authored by Klammer, Scorsone, and Whalen.