The LO Down Mortgage Podcast

What separates a $50M loan officer from someone grinding themselves into the ground?

Turns out — it's not hustle. It's identity.

Travis Smart didn't come up easy. Mom gone at 15. Kicked out at 16. Working graveyard shifts just to graduate high school early enough to enlist. One of six people out of 35 to make it through Navy rescue swimmer school. Single dad at 21 — in Guam.

Most people catalog that list as a tragedy. Travis built a business with it.

In this episode, you're going to hear how Travis went from a factory job with a few thousand dollars to his name to building a $50M+ mortgage operation in a town where nobody knew him — and how he did it by stopping the performance most loan officers think they need to put on.

The breakthrough? Realizing he was failing while pretending to be someone else — so he decided if he was going to fail anyway, he'd do it as himself. That one shift changed everything.

You'll also get his Navy-trained pre-approval process — the same pre-brief/debrief methodology rescue swimmers use on life-or-death missions, now applied to making sure his name means guaranteed to agents in his market.

But honestly? The real value here isn't the tactics. It's the frame.

Travis talks about the "soul tax" of wrong-fit business. He talks about the moving goalpost of volume milestones that never actually made him feel like enough. He talks about being on the brink of losing his family at his most "successful" moment.

And then he gives you the only metric that actually held up: Would my daughter be proud of this?

Simple. Heavy. True.

This one's worth your full attention.

28 years. Zero clients who regret buying. That's not luck — that's a system.

Tony Valdez didn't stumble into mortgages. He watched his parents sign a mountain of paperwork they didn't understand on their first home and decided — there's a better way. That moment became a 28-year mission.

In this episode, Tony and host Gino pull back the curtain on what's actually working right now in one of the most confusing markets in a generation.

Here's what you'll walk away with:

The VA loan is the most underutilized wealth-building tool in America. No down payment. No PMI. Extended DTI ratios. And yes — it closes just like any other loan when the right LO is handling it. Tony breaks down why agents are still sleeping on it and what to say when they push back.

Rates got you spooked? Tony's answer is simple: you can't refinance the price. The borrowers getting off the fence today are the ones who won't be chasing higher prices tomorrow. He backs it up with 28 years of zero regrets from his client portfolio.

And for the high-income borrower who's been told no by every bank? Tony closed a $4M loan on a $7M home — for a client every institution turned away. Bank statements. 1099 programs. No-ratio approvals. The creative toolkit is real and it's working.

For loan officers grinding through the hardest market in years — Tony's message is direct: take care of your mind and body first. Clients hear it in your voice. They read you like a book.

If you're serious about building a practice that lasts decades, not just quarters — this one's for you.

Subscribe, share with a fellow LO, and go find a way to say yes today.

You don't have a production problem. You have a clarity problem.

Chad Lubben hit $100M+ six times, built a team that now closes $50–60M without him touching a file, and coaches loan officers every Monday — for free. This episode is a masterclass in what separates the top 1% from everyone else grinding themselves into the ground.

Here's what most LOs get wrong: they think volume is about working more. Chad worked 14–15 hour days, six days a week, skipped dinners, battled addiction, and still nearly burned it all down. He'll be the first to tell you — don't do it his way.

What he'd do differently: get a coach sooner, stop being the biggest fish in a small pond, and fire yourself from the 75% of tasks that aren't your genius.

His actual edge? A 125 BPS comp plan in competitive markets like Chicago — never discounting, always adding value. A two-step client process (Home Buying Strategy Session + Loan Selection Meeting) that makes agents, clients, and partners all know exactly where they stand. Personal guarantees — $5K–$10K on pre-approvals, 15-day close guarantees — backed by his own money.

And one tactic you can steal today: multiply the calls. Every new client is a gateway to their realtor, CPA, attorney, and financial advisor. Four calls from one conversation. Most LOs hang up and move on. Chad doesn't.

If you're tired of riding the feast-or-famine roller coaster, this episode is the reset you didn't know you needed.

Subscribe, hit follow on Chad (@lubbenloans on Instagram), and go multiply your next call.

What happens when you stop chasing volume and start building real relationships?

Christine Covington has the answer — and it doesn't come from a CRM or a fancy drip campaign. It comes from 25 years of knowing the same agents, the same houses (some of them 4–5 times), and the same communities in rural West Texas.

Here's the thing most loan officers get wrong: they think scale means distance. More loans, less contact. Christine almost fell into that trap — closing nearly 300 loans a year and barely knowing who was walking through her door. She fixed it. Now her team handles the admin, and she stays locked into the relationships that actually move the needle.

Her framework for building in a rural market is dead simple:

Know your loan products cold (USDA, manufactured — your clients WILL ask)

Find 1–2 market influencers and earn their trust deeply, not broadly

Stop trying to own the whole market — you don't need it

This isn't a volume game. It's a loyalty game. She's got agents who require her pre-approval before they'll accept an offer. She's worked with agents whose parents she also worked with. That's not luck. That's compounding trust over time.

The referral lesson alone is worth your next hour: she doesn't depend only on agents. Mahjong nights, supper clubs, estate sales — every touchpoint is a potential transaction. No fear. No single point of failure.

If you're building in a smaller market — or just tired of being a commodity in a big one — Christine's playbook is the cheat code you didn't know you needed.

Hit play. Take notes. Then go be the person in your market that everyone says: "Just call them. They'll get it done."

What do you do when your $250 million niche disappears overnight?

If you're Josh Sanford, you spend a few months on the floor — then you rebuild from scratch with nothing but a phone and a better idea.

Josh closed over 200 loans in a single year, completely solo. No CRM. No assistant. No system. Just a calling routine he ran like clockwork and a relocation niche he built by calling rejected DR Horton loans across every time zone in the country. At peak, him and one partner were doing a quarter billion annually. Then 2023 hit and international relocation dried up — almost overnight.

Most people would've blamed the market and coasted. Josh reverse-engineered a brand-new model.

His new pitch to top real estate teams? Stop using your agents as ISAs. Let us do it. While your agents are showing houses and sitting in traffic, Josh's team is making 200–500 calls a week, nurturing leads in Follow Up Boss, and converting deals your agents never would have touched. Every team he's plugged into has seen conversion go up. The model is working — so well, he spun off his own branch in 2025 to scale it.

And here's the move that almost no one is willing to make: Josh fixes his competitors' broken loans for free. Gives agents the exact solution, watches them take it back to the other lender, and waits. About 30% of those deals come back to him. The rest? Pure goodwill that compounds into referrals.

This episode is a blueprint for LOs who want to stop chasing and start being the obvious choice.

One phone. One idea. One relentless commitment to being useful.

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What if the most powerful marketing tool in your mortgage business isn't social media — it's the transaction you're already in?

Mike Newman spent 18 years at one company, built a top-producing book of business, and still walked away when the trust was gone. Not impulsively — methodically. He kept an email folder of every red flag until the evidence was undeniable. That's not weakness. That's discipline.

Now on the other side of that decision, Mike is clearer than ever — and this episode is packed with frameworks that most loan officers will never hear anywhere else.

Mike holds a psychology degree and uses every bit of it. His average client consultation runs one to two hours. While other LOs are sending Canva flyers and hoping for referrals, Mike is building relationships so deep that by the time the appointment is over, clients aren't even thinking about shopping rates elsewhere.

Here's what you'll take away:

Why your best marketing is happening right now — inside your current transactions

How to reframe the adjustable rate conversation so clients lean in instead of run

The "hunter" model for building a business development team without hiring another LO

Why loyalty — if left unchecked — can be the thing that holds you back the most

What coaching actually does for people who think they've already figured it out

Mike's closing message hits different: bet on yourself. Not as a motivational poster. As a practical strategy — one he applies to his mortgage products, his career move, and the advice he gives his college-pitcher son navigating the transfer portal.

Control. Freedom. Destiny. This episode is for the LO who's ready to own all three.

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Most loan officers are leaving money on the table — not because they lack skills, but because they never ask.

Slade Terry figured that out at 29. While every other LO in his market was sitting on their hands during two of the hardest years in mortgage history, Slade went from $12M to $36M — then $50M — by doing the one thing most people are too scared to do: showing up, making the call, and asking for the business.

This episode is a masterclass in what happens when you combine elite process with relentless belief in yourself.

Slade walked away from a salary-plus-commission bank job — where he was closing 70–80 units a year and couldn't even get an assistant — to go 100% commission. Scary? Yes. Worth it? He's now launching his second branch in Dallas.

Here's what you'll learn:

Why "delusional confidence" isn't arrogance — it's a survival strategy

The social media trap killing your referral pipeline (agents think you're too busy for their loans)

How a pizza slice became Slade's life philosophy on asking for what you want

The exact strategy he used to enter a brand-new market with zero cold outreach

Why the LOs who build friendships — not just referral lists — will always win long-term

If you're a loan officer who knows how to do the job but struggles to grow, Slade's story is your blueprint. The deals exist. The agents exist. The only question is whether you're going to ask for them — or watch someone else close them.

New episodes drop weekly. Subscribe so you don't miss what's coming next.

He was living alone at 16. Open heart surgery at 27. $400K in medical debt with no insurance. Credit score starting with a four.

At 39, Jason Fleming became a loan officer — on the exact day his branch closed for COVID.

Most people would call that bad timing. Jason called it a gift.

While every veteran LO was drowning in refi volume and couldn't answer their phone fast enough, Jason had something nobody else had: time. So he set up a podium outside open houses, ran one buyer through at a time, and got a full year of reps in a single summer.

Five years later, he's NEO's Education Director, leading weekly trainings for 120+ loan officers — and roughly 70% of his business has nothing to do with realtors.

Here's the thing most LOs are getting wrong right now, and Jason's watched it up close: they find someone excelling at a part of the business, copy the script word for word, and wonder why it doesn't work. It doesn't work because it isn't them. Your consultation isn't a template — it's a living document. Jason's changed his buyer consult every single time someone said no. Version after version, until yes became the default.

His Google reviews don't mention rates. They mention how he made people feel.

That's the business he built. Not on rate sheets. On the fact that when a borrower with a 480 credit score sits across from a guy who's been there — who had a 480 credit score — something shifts. Trust happens in a second.

Walls come down. Loans close.

The bar isn't going to raise itself.

This one earns your full 30 minutes.

She saw buyers getting wrecked at the closing table. So she quit and became the lender.

Renee Gaugler didn't plan on mortgage. She had a biotech degree, a title company job, and a front-row seat to how badly borrowers were being served during the option-ARM era. Pre-payment penalties. Yield spread premiums. Buyers signing documents they didn't understand. And five loan officers who got to them before she did — none of whom explained what an escrow account was.

So she quit. Walked down the street. Said "I don't know loans, but I know a HUD-1 and every realtor in town." They handed her a stack of business cards and a Fannie Mae selling guide. That was her training.

Twenty-one years later, social media is her number-one referral source. Not because her videos are polished — because they're not. She's on her couch. Sometimes there's a dog. She might stumble on her words. And that's exactly why people call her. They already decided she's their person before they ever pick up the phone.

Here's what this episode actually teaches you: The LOs who survived 2022 and 2023 were the ones who fell back in love with the basics — calls, video, email, talking to realtors again. The ones who didn't? Still waiting for rates to drop. Meanwhile, Renee's quoting the stat that every 1% drop brings 5 million buyers back into a market with barely enough listings to cover them. The math isn't hard. The mindset is.

She'll also tell you that success gets lonely — and that the fastest path through that is finding people who actually want to pull you up, not drag you back.

Implementation speed and resilience. That's it. That's the whole game.

26 years. Zero transactions. One obsession: actually caring.

Amber Lampe walked away from pre-med, answered a job ad, and accidentally stumbled into one of the most relational careers on the planet. Here's what she figured out that most loan officers never do: if people would miss it when you stop, you're doing it right.

She's been mailing a physical newsletter — yes, USPS, paper, stamps — every single quarter for twenty years. When she skipped sending football schedule magnets one year, clients called to ask where theirs was. That's not a marketing trick. That's what happens when you refuse to be forgettable.

Here's the shift most LOs won't make: Amber doesn't see a closing as the goal. She sees it as the beginning of a relationship that compounds over decades. While the McDonald's loan officers are chasing volume and sliding files through the window, she's asking clients how they want their burger prepared.

The candle-making events. The Thanksgiving pies (eight years running — there is no going back). The axe throwing. These aren't gimmicks. They're a system for becoming the kind of person clients brag about at Thanksgiving dinner.

She'll also tell you — without flinching — that she's a Type A control freak who knows she needs to let go. Business coaching. Delegate to Elevate written on a list on her actual desk. That honesty? That's what separates the operators from the ones who just talk about growth.

Her word of the year is intentional. And when a 26-year producer who is still coachable, still tracking, still building says that word, you should probably

write it down.

This one's worth your full attention.