The idea of the lazy bureaucrat can be found as far back as the idea of bureaucracy itself. Charlie Tyson charts the concept  from Ancient Egypt through the decline of the Ottoman empire to the current iteration being pushed in Trump's America, primarily by renowned workaholic Elon Musk. But was there any evidence then or now for its accuracy?

Guest: Charlie Tyson, author of The Long Nap of the Lazy Bureaucrat, published in The New Yorker