Trevor Phillips, broadcaster, writer and former chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, is Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan's latest castaway to Planet Normal. The former Labour candidate for London Mayor tells Liam why guilt obscures media coverage of racial issues, how he knows what it's like to be randomly stopped by the police, and why he believes parts of the Labour Party just don't care about winning elections.

Plus, Allison and Liam discuss the devastating knock-on effect of lockdown on cancer treatments, Rishi Sunak's mini-Budget or "big Economic enchilada", and enjoy listeners' stories of a time before health and safety, featuring a homemade army tank!

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