The Making Good Podcast

Re-greening Paris, with Nathalie Baumann

This weeks guest is Nath Baumann, urban ecologist with the Swiss Green Infrastructure Consultancy & 

Lecturer at the Zurich School of Applied Science (ZHAW).

Nath joined me to talk about her more than ten years work in the regreening of Paris and in particular the initiatives under Mayor Anne Hidalgo to widen access to the benefits of nature as part of increasingly urgent efforts to transform the city into a beacon of circular and ecological design. The conversation was framed around La Recyclerie, an urban farm, repair cafe, sharing hub and restaurant but we covered a lot of the great initiatives and developments around Paris - and even touched on the way systems thinking is shaping its relationship with the agricultural areas beyond its periphery.

LINKS

Nathalie Baumann: www.greeninfrastructureconsultancy.ch/locations-people/

ZHAW: https://www.zhaw.ch/en/university/

La Recyclerie: https://www.larecyclerie.com/

Reinventer Paris design competition: https://www.designboom.com/tag/reinventer-paris/

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I'm delighted to be joined this week by Henri Brocklebank, Director of Conservation Policy & Evidence at Sussex Wildlife Trust. In an episode recorded in early February 2021, I talked with Henri about kelp as a climax habitat and the new bylaw (just) passed which will restrict trawling off the Sussex coast in the Channel to 4km offshore. 

We talked about how the bylaw will help restore the 200km2 forest lost to human activity

- why kelp is such a big deal for not just inshore waters but the local culture and economy and the livelihoods of the fishing fleet

- How the English channel formed and how its shallowness has influenced its biodiversity - including the mammoth tusks dredged by the trawlers which have done so much damage 

- offshore wind and how to do marine actively sensitively

We also talked about how to value nature, and why marine environments have been slower to be included in investable models of habitat restoration like peat, mangrove and trees.

LINKS

Nature Table - https://sussexwildlifetrust.org.uk/discover/woods-mill-at-50/nature-table 

Tiny Recorder: https://www.facebook.com/TinyRecorder/

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Harini Nagendra is Professor of Sustainability at Azim Premji University in Karnataka, India. Her work explores the evolving relationship between people and nature in Indian cities, with publications including Nature in the City, Bengalaru in the Past, Present and Future (2016) and Cities and Canopies: Trees in Indian Cities(2019). We explored the way that ancient and more recent human activity helped shape the region's ecology and in particular the way that Bangalore's development has been informed by the need to manage scarce water resources - but also how the particularities of indigenous culture have lent a deeper everyday connection with and understanding of nature - and what (and how) we can learn from the way these challenges are being met.

Talking points

- the role nature in rapidly urbanising countries/densifying cities

- animism and the spiritual connection with nature

- how to engage with indigenous approaches to ecology, and how they improve upon colonial attitudes 

- ecological memory and forgetting in indian cities

- how resource (water) scarcity and human activity to compensate for it has shaped Karnataka’s ecology and the regions’ priorities for modern GI interventions

- medicine, food and scent as drivers of our experience of nature in the city

- why citizen restoration movements rather than municipalities are the key drivers of ecological enhancement 

- how the pandemic story is unfolding in India, and the implications for social urban development

LINKS

Prof Harini Nagendra - @HariniNagendra

Robin Hobbs - Farseer Trilogy via bookshop.org

The Nature of Cities

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This week’s guest is Araceli Camargo (@aracelicamargo_), cognitive neuroscientist with @TheCentricLab in London. Araceli joined me to talk about the emerging role of neuroscience in explaining how built environments can create pathologies in the people that live in them and what that means for the people affected. We talked about how every planner, architect, consultant and developer working in ways that shape the built environment are also - whether they know it or not - healthcare practitioners, and how this can and will increasingly shape the way we design and build the places that we live. 

Talking points:

• What exactly is neuroscience, and how does it help us understand how people experience their (built) environment

• What is biological inequality, how has it arisen and what are strategies for tackling it?

• Why health isnt only (or even mainly) the absence of illness

• Why construction phase is as critical as post-occupancy

• Blame and self-esteem: what the pandemic has revealed about the role of authority and infrastructure in health outcomes, and what that suggests about personal responsibility for health outcomes

Links

The Centric Lab

Red Nation podcast and Twitter @The_Red_Nation

Ibram X Kendi - How to be an Antiracist via bookshop.org

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This weeks guest is Peter Massini, green infrastructure policy and practice lead for the Greater London Authority (GLA). We discussed what green infrastructure comprises and why it should be seen as comparable in importance to transport, energy and sewage networks, as well its history in the parks movement and more recently nature conservation (particularly rare species of birds who's adopted habitats in brownfield sites around the city were endangered by urban regneration)

We also unpacked how its funded and regulated in London and the way that national frameworks might interact (and sometimes conflict) with local initiatives. And of course we spent some time thinking through how what we know about the pandemic so far might indicate some of the opportunities and obstacles we’ll see being thrown up green infrastructure.  

LINKS

Future Nature by Bill Adams - shop via bookshop.org https://bookshop.org/books/future-nature-a-vision-for-conservation/9781853839986

Song of the Dodo by David Quammen - shop via bookshop.org https://bookshop.org/books/the-song-of-the-dodo-island-biogeography-in-an-age-of-extinctions/9780684827124

@grassroofco - The Grass Roof Company

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This week's guest is Dr Tony Whitbread, independent ecologist and former Chief Executive of Sussex Wildlife Trust. Tony joined me to talk about rewilding - what wild means in a modern 21st country, and how it relates to other kinds of nature conservation that continue and which have gone before. We explored the various scales at which we can think about rewilding, the difference between applying in urban and non-urban areas, the obstacles we’ll face in linking up the core areas of wild space and bringing them into our cities - and how we can overcome them, both practically and in terms of how to communicate the benefits with the wider population.

Talking points include:

-Rethinking value

-What ragwort can tell us about how to communicate rewilding 

-How far does a policy like biodiversity net gain get us without enforcement?

-Nature recovery networks as a framework for thinking about outcomes

-Regenerative economics as a guide to post-CV recovery

-What George Monbiot gets wrong about rewilding

Tony's 3 good things:

Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari - via bookstore.org

George Monbiot on Twitter - https://twitter.com/georgemonbiot

The Mens and Ebernoe Common nature reserves

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This week's guest is biomimicry expert and architect Lydia Fraaije, who joined me to discuss the application of biology - and especially the study of nanostructures - to building and product design, and how explain how insights from the study of ecosystems can improve the resilience and output of social groups including public and commercial organisations.

Lydia has three companies in this field working - Bio^Mi, Fraaije Architecten and Spinwaves. We talked about how biomimicry relates to the more familiar disciplines of 'biophilic' and closed loop design, material passports, libraries and harvest masters, and how close biomimicry is to becoming a mainstream discipline.

LINKS

Janine Benyus - Biomimicry in action

Frans de Waal - Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?

Tamsin Woolley-Barker - Teeming: How Superorganisms Work Together To Build Wealth On A Finite Planet

Cascading Sustainability business consultants

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This week's guest is Kayla Ente, founder and CEO of BHESCO, who joined me to talk about the politics and economics of the clean energy transition. We covered a lot of ground, and there's lots here to inspire and encourage as well as a deep dive into the complexities, obstacles and opportunities in the landscape at the moment. Topics include

• How the margins involved in PV hamper traditional financial investors from supporting uptake

• Property ownership mix in generation rent as a drag on retrofit and the move to reduce energy use and decarbonising fuel 

• How property owners can get involved, and why the new retrofit coordinator role is so important in our net zero strategy 

• How homes of the future will be heated and powered, and how fast the changes are happening

• The psychology of clean growth

• The failure of the green new deal and the impact on the ecosystem of expertise needed to undertake the clean energy transition

• The opportunities for British higher education to pivot to clean energy training

• Stacking the benefits of decarbonising gas-dependent villages

• The political economy of nuclear power vs renewables

• Biomethane and fuel from food & agricultural waste

LINKS

BHESCO

Retrofit Works

Energy Vault

Community Energy South

Community Energy England

This Changes Everything - Naomi Klein

Energy Revoution - Howard Johns

Resurgence Magazine

Satish Kumar

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This week's guest is Claire Vokins - horticulturalist, whisky expert and trustee of Veteran's Growth, a charity providing horticultural therapy for service personnel suffering with PTSD. We explored what horticultural therapy involves and how it can help with the particular challenges that decommissioned armed forces can face, and how nature-centred therapeutic pathways are becoming integrated into mainstream mental healthcare within the NHS. We also talked about Claire's wider work which focusses on why private garden designs too often need rehab after implementation, and how strategies for moving from unrealistic intensively-managed 'perfection' to lower-maintenance planting often provides a more climate-positive space for nature.

LINKS

Veterans Growth

Wilson Vokins garden design

Roots and All podcast

Good News Movement on Instagram

Auschwitsz Museum on Twitter

Claire Vokins on Instagram

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I am joined this week by Phil Minns, founder of Best Foot Music, a music label and events hub which works with musicians from around the world to document their musical heritage, as well as facilitate live performances and cross-cultural exchanges. Now in its 10th year, Best Foot is an example of exactly the kind of initiatives we'll need to look to as our changing world brings increasingly diverse groups of people together, often in difficult or dramatic circumstances. We talked about why music is such a great connector and facilitator of connection, how the label has evolved over the years, and its archival projects with the British Library amongst and its many other activities.

As Phil says, projects like his benefit from donations but, like all musicians in the digital age, particularly from attendance at live events and performances. For details of whats coming up, as well as how to donate, please go to www.bestfootmusic.net

LINKS

Best Foot instagram

Maté cafe

Ephemeral - on iheartradio - Diaspora epside with Ian Nagoski of Canary Records

Cohesion Plus (Kent, UK)

Gurvinder Sander

4x4 banghra

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