Legendary songwriter James McMurtry takes a dip in The Marinade. McMurtry is the genius behind such tunes as "Levelland" and "We Can't Make it Here Anymore." His 2015 release Complicated Game is one of our favorites in recent memory and includes a song we can't seem to get out of our heads, "You Got to Me."

In this episode, McMurtry discusses what really scares white supremacists, the evolution of his creative process from bar napkins to iPhones, and where he gets some of those incredible song lines. Also, Jason Earle opens up about his creative process and the heavy day that preceded this interview. Cheers, y'all.