The Market Runup: Investing, Markets, Crypto & Wealth

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with Aryan Sheikhalian, Head of Research at CMT Digital, to discuss the current macro regime, Bitcoin's complete correlation flip, and why institutional capital is shifting from narratives to infrastructure revenue. Aryan explains we're in a hybrid regime where the Fed holds rates around 3.5-3.75% while the balance sheet starts turning. Year-end 2025 funding stress showed $74.6 billion drawn from standing repo plus $100 billion into reverse repo on the same day. The marginal buyer has changed as ETF allocators and corporate treasuries now drive the listed market, caring about flows not stories. Bitcoin's correlation with global easing breadth flipped from positive 0.61 to negative 0.77, marking a complete inversion where Bitcoin now leads price of risk instead of lagging macro.Institutional positioning reveals a barbell strategy where 66% of professional managers still have zero allocation, but those who are in are aggressively long. ETFs absorbed most Bitcoin issuance in 2026, creating a structural supply-demand delta. Capital is following revenue as infrastructure layers like stablecoin rails and tokenization platforms generate real fees. Narrative-only assets had brutal 2025, and the 2026 funding bar is real revenue and retention with case studies like Ramp's $3B annualized stablecoin volume and Blackrock's $200M tokenization facility. The biggest risk is crypto's one shot at TradFi integration: if infrastructure can't provide reconciliation and compliance tooling, TradFi will fail to see utility. 
TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Intro
(01:19) Hybrid macro regime: Fed restrictive but balance sheet turning
(03:20) Bitcoin correlation flip: +0.61 to -0.77, complete inversion
(04:49) Institutional barbell: 66% zero allocation, minority aggressively long
(06:05) ETFs absorbing Bitcoin issuance, structural delta growing
(07:35) Structural vs tactical demand: flow consistency matters
(11:04) Stablecoin market structure: tokenized dollar serving emerging markets
(14:42) Infrastructure shift: capital following revenue
(17:30) Narrative assets brutal 2025, real revenue required now
(18:30) Real case studies: Ramp $3B, Blackrock $200M tokenization
(21:23) Tokenization past pilot phase, moving to production
(23:18) Underappreciated risk: crypto's one shot at TradFi integration
(32:19) Legacy: demystifying narratives, distilling blockchain truth

EPISODE ESSENTIALS

Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker)Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram)Guest: Aryan SheikhalianRole: Head of Research, CMT DigitalGuest Socials: @Aryonchain (X)

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with John Nahas, Chief Business Officer at Ava Labs, to discuss why crypto is at the end of the beginning, how the industry is maturing from speculation to real business infrastructure, and where Avalanche fits in the institutional adoption wave. John explains why crypto is no longer the shiny object as AI takes center stage, and how the industry is moving from asking what is blockchain to asking what value does this create and what costs does it save. The first decade was circular and internal, but now we're seeing payment chains, dedicated chains launching to tackle business problems, and revenue-generating businesses emerging. Genius Pass opened the door for stablecoins, regulatory clarity is finally allowing people to build without waking up on the wrong side of a line that doesn't exist, and institutions are deploying capital in positioning phase.

John breaks down why Bitcoin has held up remarkably well despite macro turmoil and geopolitical chaos, why prediction markets stole crypto's dopamine and speculative liquidity, and how the industry rallies unlike any other when DeFi exploits happen. Avalanche's Better Business thesis is the North Star: launch whatever you want with Web3 and blockchain on the backbone to create new revenue sources or improve operational efficiencies. The platform supports custom L1s for institutions needing privacy and control, gaming infrastructure that abstracts blockchain complexity, and tokenization infrastructure for real-world assets. John discusses why stablecoins won the payments race, how Avalanche enables neobanks and fintechs to build compliant infrastructure, and why the boring work of building bridges and tunnels matters more than token hype. His legacy centers on being a good father and showing up for his family, while professionally ensuring six years of work building Avalanche infrastructure makes a real difference in people's lives. 

Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content. 

Timestamps

(00:00) Intro
(01:36) Crypto at end of the beginning, no longer shiny object, AI taking center stage
(03:46) Payment chains launching to tackle business problems, Genius Pass opened stablecoin door
(05:39) Bitcoin holding remarkably well despite macro turmoil, miners pivoting to AI hype
(08:10) Long term holders selling: made money or don't want institutionalized Bitcoin
(12:08) Capital deployment still positioning phase, everyone wants in but doesn't know where
(17:04) Prediction markets stole crypto's dopamine, quick resolution without research needed
(18:30) Aave exploit: DeFi rallies unlike any industry, makes users whole, learns from mistakes
(21:42) Avalanche Better Business thesis: new revenue sources or operational efficiencies
(25:54) Stablecoins won payments race, crypto native rails for cross-border and remittances
(33:44) Legacy: being good father and showing up for family, making six years matter

EPISODE ESSENTIALS

Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) Host Socials:⁠ @theblondebroker⁠ (X) |⁠ @blondebrokerofficial⁠ (Instagram)

Guest: John Nahas Role: Chief Business Officer, Ava Labs Guest Socials: @JohnNahas84 (X)

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with Giang Bui, VP of Issuer Growth at Securitize, to break down one of the biggest shifts in markets right now: the move from speculation to infrastructure. As institutions like the New York Stock Exchange begin building tokenized securities platforms, Giang explains why tokenization is no longer experimental — it’s becoming core financial infrastructure.
They dive into why real-world assets like treasuries are leading the first wave of adoption, how tokenization improves liquidity, settlement, and global access, and why institutional interest has shifted from curiosity to execution. Giang also unpacks a key misconception: tokenization doesn’t change the asset itself, it unlocks new ways to move, use, and scale it.
Finally, they explore what still needs to happen for tokenization to reach its full potential, from regulatory clarity to distribution and liquidity, and why expanding access to financial markets may be the most important outcome of all.
TIMESTAMPS 

(00:00) Introduction
(00:34) The Shift No One Can Ignore
(01:13) Wall Street Enters the Game
(02:54) Beyond Experimentation
(04:46) Institutions Are Done “Exploring”
(07:43) Why This Is Happening Now
(09:45) The First Real Use Case Emerges
(12:09) The Liquidity Illusion
(15:48) Who Actually Gets Access
(17:59) The Global Capital Unlock
(19:32) What It Takes to Tokenize the World
(21:31) The End Goal: Wealth Access at Scale
EPISODE ESSENTIALS
Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker)
Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram)
Guest: Giang Bui (VP of Issuer Growth at Securitize)
Guest Socials: @SecuritizeGiang (X)
Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with Ashley Ebersole, Co-Founder and Chief Legal Officer at TX, to break down one of the most misunderstood shifts in markets: tokenization. Drawing from his time at the SEC, Ashley explains why regulation isn’t just friction, it’s what unlocks new investors and capital.

They dive into why tokenized real-world assets could become a multi-trillion dollar market, how on-chain assets enable global, fractional investing, and why today’s fragmented crypto landscape is still holding markets back. Ashley also highlights a key shift most people are missing: programmable compliance, where assets themselves enforce the rules.

Finally, they explore what takes markets mainstream and why institutional adoption and liquidity will define the next phase of crypto.TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Introduction

(01:20) Why Regulation Might Be Crypto’s Biggest Catalyst

(06:09) The $50 Trillion Shift: Why Tokenization May Be Underhyped

(08:24) From Local Markets to Global Liquidity

(10:32) Cycle or Structural Shift? Why This Doesn’t Go Away

(12:58) Does Tokenization Create New Liquidity—or Just Repackage It?

(14:43) The Institutional Signal Everyone’s Misreading

(20:30) Why the U.S. Suddenly Matters Again

(26:41) Fragmentation Is the Real Bottleneck

(31:14) Programmable Compliance Changes Everything

(34:02) What Takes Tokenization MainstreamESSENTIALS EPISODE ESSENTIALSHost: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram) Guest: Ashley Ebersole (Co-Founder & CLO at TX)Guest Socials: @ashley_0x_Labs (X)Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with AJ Warner, Chief Strategy Officer at Offchain Labs, the team behind Arbitrum, to discuss Ethereum scaling, the Robinhood Chain launch, and building the programmable economy. AJ shares how New York has become crypto's center over the last 18 months as traditional financial institutions and fintechs converge here. Arbitrum is now the top five blockchain by economic activity with 100 chains using their Orbit SDK, including Robinhood which just went live on testnet. AJ emphasizes the critical distinction between creating value and capturing value, explaining why sustainable business models matter for protocols and why traditional investors struggle to value crypto assets without clear frameworks.

We dive into Ethereum's intentional scaling roadmap: the base layer prioritizes security and decentralization over throughput, while Layer 2 solutions like Arbitrum provide 1000x capacity increase while settling back to Ethereum. AJ breaks down why too many chains launched without product-market fit, how Offchain Labs approaches platform thinking by offering both public chains and custom SDKs, and why interoperability is fundamentally a UX problem not a technical problem. The acquisition of ZeroDev focuses on wallet infrastructure to enable seamless chain-hopping under the hood. AJ explains when to launch your own chain: either you have enough users to justify becoming the landlord instead of a tenant, or you need customization impossible on public chains. His legacy vision centers on democratizing access to opportunities, ensuring the best innovations are available to retail investors on day one, not just those born into privilege.

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Intro

(00:19) NYC becoming crypto center over last 18 months, TradFi institutions converging here

(01:38) Macro conditions: crypto risk on asset, stablecoin yield drives on chain activity

(02:45) Robinhood tokenization partner, rebuilding entire infrastructure using on chain rails

(03:56) Create value AND capture value: sustainable business models for protocols matter

(04:52) Ethereum scaling: base layer security and decentralization, Layer 2 provides scalability

(06:10) Early scaling focus was capacity: 1000x throughput increase settling back to Ethereum

(08:42) Programmable economy vision: customization, flexibility, sovereignty for builders

(10:52) Offchain Labs largest core Ethereum development team, building both Arbitrum and securing Ethereum

(13:43) Too many chains launched without product market fit, platform thinking beats product silos

(16:01) Interoperability is UX problem not technical: intranet approach never made sense

(17:09) ZeroDev acquisition for wallet infrastructure: seamless chain hopping under the hood

(18:14) Orbit chains explained: 100 in production, Robinhood just went live on testnet

(18:55) Two reasons to launch chain: enough users to be landlord, or need customization impossible on public chains

(19:44) Economics: 95% gross profit margin on transaction fees when you own the chain

(21:28) Gaming chains with native tokens as gas, payments chains with stablecoins

(26:40) Ethereum vs Solana: both succeed, modular vs integrated tradeoffs, different philosophies

(34:33) Legacy vision: democratizing access, retail gets best innovations day one not just privilege

EPISODE ESSENTIALS

Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram)

Guest: AJ Warner Role: Chief Strategy Officer, Offchain Labs (team behind Arbitrum) Guest Socials: @ajwarner90 (X)

Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with John D'Agostino, Head of Strategy at Coinbase Institutional, to discuss what institutions are actually doing in crypto right now. John brings decades of traditional finance experience, former Head of Strategy at NYMEX, subject of two NY Times bestselling books, lecturer at MIT and Columbia and a front-row seat to how capital is moving. He breaks down why markets couple and decouple all the time, why order flow is controlled by a small consolidated group of trading firms, and why Bitcoin ETF was the best-launched ETF in history despite brokers being completely prohibited from selling it. Products are sold, not bought. Morgan Stanley just announced the ETF with Coinbase as custodian, and now you have an army of brokers able to make outbound calls.

Capital deployment is happening in two forms: direct investment into markets and infrastructure buildout. The unsexy part building bridges, tunnels, and subways is happening faster than ever. Coinbase Crypto-as-a-Service has hundreds of companies in the queue and hundreds of thousands of clients already. Firms that derided crypto for years are now hiring for head of crypto roles. John explains what retail completely overlooks: institutions are building core onchain infrastructure for payments, media buying settlements in 10 minutes instead of 60 days, and the real game-changer cross-collateralization. Getting everything into a system that can speak to each other frees up margin, which is the lifeblood of business. Fannie and Freddie accepting Bitcoin as collateral is huge. Solana proved 99.99999% uptime and resiliency, which is what you need for capital markets infrastructure.

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Intro
(01:30) Crypto as macro-driven: markets couple and decouple, order flow controlled by consolidated trading firms
(04:17) Bitcoin ETF best launch in history, no brokers allowed to sell it, products sold not bought
(06:55) Morgan Stanley brokers entering, Crypto-as-a-Service hundreds of companies, infrastructure buildout
(08:37) Clarity Act explained: market structure is constitution, foundational document needed even if argued over
(11:32) Why Clarity Act matters for average investor: 1.6% compound interest difference over 18 years is massive
(13:43) ETF flows remarkably resilient despite volatility, institutions not abandoning Bitcoin
(17:19) YouTube analogy: open architecture means 99% garbage, but extraordinary talent gets discovered
(20:41) Open architecture blockchain vs centralized control, accepting bad experiments for innovation
(21:50) Solana proved infrastructure resiliency: 99.99999% uptime, internet built on cat videos
(24:22) What retail overlooks: institutions building core infrastructure, media buying settlements in 10 minutes
(28:42) Bitcoin in portfolio: 2-5% position improves Sharpe ratio, matching duration to thesis
(32:54) Institutional risk appetite: cautious optimism, waiting for Clarity Act but building anyway
(39:27) Catalysts are crutches, better technology wins regardless, Waymo and email analogy
(41:42) 24/7 tokenized equity trading transformational, once you hedge 2am events you never go back
(43:50) Legacy: building infrastructure enabling discovery and experimentation, garbage man enjoying work

EPISODE ESSENTIALS

Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram)

Guest: John D'Agostino Role: Head of Strategy, Coinbase Institutional | Former Head of Strategy, NYMEX Guest Socials: @johnjdagostino (X)

Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with Lucas Bruder, co-founder and CEO of Jito Labs, to discuss building Solana's leading MEV infrastructure. Lucas shares his journey from electrical engineering at Carnegie Mellon working on Tesla's Falcon Wing doors and programming self-driving bulldozers to discovering MEV and realizing this was modern-day high-frequency trading with hard problems to solve. His hardware and firmware background gives him a unique edge: deep systems thinking and understanding the hardware-software boundary. He bought into Anatoly's vision that Qualcomm systems engineers who truly understand computers would build the fastest blockchain.

Today, Jito-Solana validator client runs on 94% of stake and has generated $750M in additional network revenue. Lucas breaks down his market layer manifesto: execution is the foundational pillar, transaction ordering is the lifeblood of markets, and Jito focuses on apps and users over maximizing validator extraction. The thesis is working Solana has the tightest spreads, beating all centralized exchanges. The best place to trade Ethereum is on Solana. Lucas discusses doubling down through 2022's dark bear market, the JTO airdrop inflection point, and his legacy vision of helping his parents move onchain to real DeFi.

This show is brought to you by Token Relations, the leading investor relations platform for blockchains, protocols and token issuers. 

You can read The Market Runup's weekly newsletter and the best investor updates on ecosystems like Solana, Polygon, Avalanche, Ripple, Aptos and more, by subscribing for free at www.token-relations.com

(00:00) Intro
(01:10) From firmware engineer to crypto: Tesla, self-driving bulldozers, discovering MEV
(02:09) Hardest mindset change from engineer to CEO: business thinking and inspiring people
(03:18) Inflection point: JTO airdrop in 2023, straight-up priority fees on Solana
(04:44) Why Solana: bought into Anatoly's vision, systems engineers understand computers
(05:54) Hardware and firmware background edge: reverse engineering and deep problem-solving
(09:49) Decentralization is means to end: what really matters is getting real markets onchain
(10:14) Core problem Jito solves: helping Solana run efficiently amid spam
(11:43) Market layer manifesto: execution is the most important blockchain layer
(12:28) Value capture: balancing validators, apps, users, and Jito DAO
(14:02) Best place to trade Ethereum is on Solana—tightest spreads beat CEXs
(14:16) MEV explained: high-frequency trading infrastructure, transaction ordering matters
(15:44) What separates essential infrastructure: net new value, focus on apps
(19:32) Bam execution infrastructure: new approach to markets on Solana
(21:16) Doubling down through 2022 bear: dark times, considered pivoting, tripled down
(24:24) Legacy vision: helping parents and family move onchain to real DeFi

Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram)

Guest: Lucas Bruder Role: Co-Founder & CEO, Jito Labs Guest Socials: @buffalu__ (X)

Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with Anthony Scaramucci, founder and co-managing partner of SkyBridge Capital, to discuss the precarious macro environment and Bitcoin's role in an increasingly uncertain world. Anthony breaks down the cost of ongoing conflict: energy facilities targeted, crude oil jumping from $55 to $116 per barrel, Secretary Willliam Hague requesting $200 billion to finish the job, and the Fed stuck at 3.5-3.75% with Chairman Jerome Powell openly admitting "the outlook is uncertain." We're seeing foreign central banks diversifying away from US treasuries, buying gold and other sovereign assets, while stagflation looms. Anthony puts dollar reserve status on the list of worries and he's not alone.

The conversation shifts to Bitcoin's generational adoption curve. Anthony draws a parallel to the web in the 1990s: older people dismissed email and the internet as a fad, but the 30-year-olds using email became 50-year-olds who built the web economy. The same pattern is happening with bBitcoin. Anthony shares his warning from Mike Novogratz: "I want Bitcoin to be $1 million, but I want the dollar to be worth something when Bitcoin is $1 million."

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You can read The Market Runup's weekly newsletter and the best investor updates on ecosystems like Solana, Polygon, Avalanche, Ripple, Aptos and more, by subscribing for free at www.token-relations.com

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Intro
(01:24) How his 4th bear market feels different with AI competing with crypto
(04:47) Quantum computing threat to Bitcoin and why hardliners won't acknowledge it
(07:04) Bitcoin's path to quantum resistance
(12:26) What happens to Satoshi's Bitcoin and lost coins in quantum future
(14:44) Bitcoin to $1M by 2030: conviction despite slower appreciation rates
(17:27) Bitcoin DeFi evolution from 2024 to 2025
(21:06) Bitcoin collateral: yield and lending product-market fit
(28:55) Why institutions want BTC-denominated yields
(31:10) What changed culturally to make Bitcoin staking acceptable to holders
(34:55) Self-custodial Bitcoin staking: earn 3-7% with BTC in your hardware wallet

Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram)

Guest: Anthony Scaramucci Role: Founder & Co-Managing Partner, SkyBridge Capital Guest Socials: @Scaramucci (X)

Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Host Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) sits down with Kain Warwick, founder of Synthetix and Infinex, to break down the current market environment and what builders are focusing on during this sideways phase. Kain compares 2026 to 2018: Bitcoin grinding sideways, everyone feeling depressed, questioning their life choices. But there's a critical difference this time. Institutional adoption is real, DeFi has proven utility, and the infrastructure exists. The backdrop is completely different even though the price action feels the same. Kain shares his hot take: we're in for eight more months of choppy sideways movement before a potential capitulation at year-end, validating the four-year cycle once again.

We dive into why bear markets are actually the best environment for builders. The noise floor drops, distractions disappear, and you can focus on what's actually needed in the space. The foundation for next cycle's dominant projects gets built during years like 2018, 2022, and 2026. But there's a new wrinkle this cycle: AI is creating a massive distraction outside crypto, pulling away even the smartest builders. Kain discusses building Infinex to solve crypto's UX problem, why duplicate projects keep raising money, the 2016 Ethereum greenfield opportunity happening in AI right now, and his legacy vision of making DeFi accessible without sacrificing self-custody.

This show is brought to you by Token Relations, the leading investor relations platform for blockchains, protocols and token issuers. 

You can read The Market Runup's weekly newsletter and the best investor updates on ecosystems like Solana, Polygon, Avalanche, Ripple, Aptos and more, by subscribing for free at www.token-relations.com

Time stamps

(00:00) Welcome Kain Warwick, founder of Synthetix and Infinex
(00:40) Market feels like 2018: sideways crab, everyone questioning life choices
(02:58) Hot take: eight more months sideways, capitulation validates four-year cycle
(05:04) Bear markets build foundations for next cycle's dominant projects
(06:20) AI is the massive distraction pulling crypto's smartest builders away
(11:26) Why duplicate projects keep successfully raising money
(15:36) Early Ethereum 2016 comparison: greenfield opportunity everywhere
(19:05) Building Infinex: solving DeFi's UX problem
(24:45) Agents are nuking buttons and traditional UX from space
(30:03) Agentic finance: agents augment transaction metadata and simplify everything
(37:13) Weaponized autism and 18-hour building sessions during bear markets
(42:13) Kain's legacy: making DeFi accessible without sacrificing self-custody
(47:06) The transformation happening in crypto UX right now
(51:21) Conviction during chaos: biggest opportunity across every industry
(54:25) Looking forward: giving builders time without noise

Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram)

Guest: Kain Warwick Role: Founder, Synthetix & Infinex | Partner, Bodhi Ventures Guest Socials: @kaiynne (X) | @infinex (Infinex) | @synthetix (Synthetix)

Welcome to The Market Runup podcast, hosted by Erin Gambrel aka The Blonde Broker. For this episode, Erin sits down with Matt Hougan, Chief Investment Officer at Bitwise, one of the world's largest crypto asset managers. We dive into a structural shift happening right now: Wall Street is rapidly moving financial infrastructure to onchain data, yet market participants remain anchored to outdated narratives. Matt breaks down the weekend crisis when U.S. strikes on Iran happened at 2:30 AM on a Sunday, forcing traditional investors to learn crypto rails because everything else was closed. Bloomberg reported on oil prices by looking at Hyperliquid and tokenized assets. The genie doesn't go back in the bottle.

We discuss why Bitcoin is in a classic bottoming cycle, institutional investors moving from 0% to 2.5% or 5% portfolio allocations, and the Clarity Act concrete foundation Congress is building for crypto. Matt explains anchoring bias, why people still think of Bitcoin as the Silk Road era when it's now the Blackrock and Goldman Sachs era, and the biggest risk to the long-term Bitcoin thesis. Plus, why DeFi protocols like Aave, Uniswap, and Morpho are dramatically undervalued at $1-3 billion if tokenization reaches the $200 trillion scale Matt predicts. Five years from now, people will look back and wonder why they didn't listen when the SEC chair and Larry Fink told them this was coming.

This show is brought to you by Token Relations, the leading investor relations platform for blockchains, protocols and token issuers. 

You can read The Market Runup's weekly newsletter and the best investor updates on ecosystems like Solana, Polygon, Avalanche, Ripple, Aptos and more, by subscribing for free at www.token-relations.com

TIMESTAMPS

(00:00) Intro
(01:31) How WisdomTree defines tokenization as recordkeeping technology
(04:16) Growth from $30M to $770M in tokenized assets within one year
(06:13) Three use cases: stablecoin reserves, treasury management, and DeFi collateral
(08:01) Talking to Aave and Morpho about integrating tokenized funds as collateral
(09:17) Why its tokenized money market fund could become WisdomTree's largest fund overall
(10:17) SEC approval for 24/7 trading and instant settlement: the big unlock
(13:11) Why 24/7 trading only works with tokenized funds, not traditional infrastructure
(16:02) DeFi and TradFi convergence: partnership not competition
(18:28) Customer journey: wallet-first users, not brokerage account holders
(27:42) Why liquid assets benefit more from tokenization than illiquid real estate

EPISODE ESSENTIALS

Host: Erin Gambrel (The Blonde Broker) Host Socials: @theblondebroker (X) | @blondebrokerofficial (Instagram)

Guest: Matt Hougan Role: Chief Investment Officer, Bitwise Asset Management Guest Socials: @Matt_Hougan (X) | @BitwiseInvest (Bitwise)Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.