Two relatively unimpressive ministers speak about some of the least pressing issues of their day.

In this second conversation between Andrew and Stuart, they turn to the idea of change, what that has meant to them personally in recent moves of their own, and what navigating change has looked like in their ministry.

This is the first podcast of The Struggling Mystic. It records a conversation between Stuart Bosch and Andrew Robinson on the meaning of Christmas. Both are ministers in mainline churches, Stuart Bosch in the Uniting Church, Bundaberg, Australia and Andrew Robinson in the Methodist Church of Ireland, stationed in Cork.