The Media Clash Podcast

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Welcome to the show where we dive deep into movies, TV, and games we keep.

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It's that time, it's Media Clash time, Volume 3, Episode 2.

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I'm Wayne, as always, joined by...

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And we're going to talk to you about some of the announcements that have come out in

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the last week or so since you've last been graced with our presence.

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The big thing that happened, we had San Diego Comic Con, which happened around the last

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time we did an episode.

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But the big thing was, D23, this week, well this past weekend, and they announced some

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things going forward.

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Like we said last time when we were talking about some stuff, that they were going to

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save their Disney Plus stuff for D23.

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If you love sequels, Disney's got you covered.

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And again, I think, here's the thing, and I looked at this when I saw what they were

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doing, what issues are they dealing with right now?

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They are dealing with characters and designs going into the public domain.

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So, the only way to keep that from happening, really, is you have to change things up, which

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is why we're getting live action versions of all those old shows, because then you now

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still own, so like the Snow White that comes out, they are going to own that copyright

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for the next 90, 95 years.

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So anything in that movie, that version of Snow White, is theirs until 90, 95 years from now.

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The Steamboat Willie movie, I think, comes out next week.

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And again, I could go into a whole diatribe of why I think, the ability to, I don't

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understand, I don't get the ability for something to go into the public domain.

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I don't agree with it, because what has Blood and Honey, this horror movie version of Steamboat

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Willie, because I think I saw the trailer for that.

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Yeah, there's that, the Bambi.

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Like the Bambi, what does that add?

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You're not adding anything to that copyright.

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You're literally making money off of people going, oh, it's the horror version of, like

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you could have made a horror version of that.

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Like, the problem is you couldn't use those names.

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And nobody's interested in your movie, your horror, your teddy bear murder movie, unless

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it's called Winnie the Pooh.

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Unless he's called Winnie the Pooh.

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If it was like, Billy the, you know, brown bear, like nobody gave a shit about it.

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But you had to, you're using that Winnie the Pooh name.

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I don't know, the new craze in horror now is killer androids.

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Oh, we have, I've not noticed that.

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The, um...

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Well, I mean, AI is always going to be, like, next to Boogeyman, because now you have that

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smart house movie.

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The smart house movie already came out.

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And then you have, you have a, um, the Megan Fox.

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I haven't seen that.

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Fucking android movie.

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Yeah, no, I haven't, I haven't seen that one.

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I think Apple, Apple TV's doing a TV show about, uh, like a little Japanese house robot

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that kind of goes nuts.

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I mean, that's...

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But all that's being put into the Megan crazy AI universe to where I'm thinking they're

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going to all team up at one point.

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Because why won't they?

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So dumb.

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Everybody wants to do their Avengers movie.

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Well, I mean, it's, here's the problem.

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And what we, what we, the same, the criticism people had of all the X-Men movies.

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Like, you exist in a world where all these other characters exist, so they should be there.

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It's not like DC where everything happens separately.

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Like, Batman and Superman don't cross over that much.

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You know, DC characters don't cross over that much.

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Marvel characters, on the other hand, cross over all the time.

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Yeah, because they're all in the same city.

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Yeah.

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That's what I don't think people understand, and they give it shit.

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I'm like, no, this should be how it is.

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Like, Spider-Man should run into Daredevil all the fucking time.

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You know, the Punisher is always on Daredevil's fucking nerves.

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You know, things like that.

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Like, that is a thing.

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But we never got it before, and now everybody's like, oh, everything's got to be pushing the

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next thing.

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Like, that's fucking how comic books work.

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One comic book issue leads into the next.

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It's an ongoing, continuing story.

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There is no such thing as a truly one-off story that doesn't matter, unless it's labeled

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What If or Elseworlds.

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So, some of the non-Marvel stuff that got announced there was...

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The live-action Snow White that everybody already tried to cancel.

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What's crazy is they were playing...

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So, originally, Peter Dinklage gave it shit.

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Yes.

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So, it looks like they completely got rid of all those actors that were playing the dwarves.

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Yeah, now it's like AI.

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Now it's all, like, computer-animated dwarves, and it's like, all right, Peter, you want to

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complain?

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So, now no actors are playing the dwarves.

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Actors got jobs.

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Moana, too.

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I'm okay with...

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I liked Moana.

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I'm okay with a sequel to that.

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Next, the live-action Lilo and Stitch, because every cartoon now has to be live-action.

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Yeah, but I want to see a live-action.

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I want to see a fully visualized 3D Stitch.

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Disney went in and changed a lot of shit from the original cartoon.

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Yes, because they changed...

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I know...

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Was it before 9-11 or after 9-11?

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They had to play the...

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In what was released or whatever, it was a spaceship flying through and shit, but in

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originally, it was an actual plane flying through a city, and they fucking changed that.

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Like, there was a lot of stuff that they changed just because they do.

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I mean, it's just like when we went and seen...

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What the hell was the last movie we went and saw?

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I don't remember, but the trailer for Captain America Brave New World was on it, and they

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changed the edit of the trailer.

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For what?

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So, they no longer show Ezekiel taking shots at Ross in the trailer, because it was like

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two weeks after that dude took a shot at dipshit, so they went and re-edited the trailer.

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Yeah, I can see that.

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But again, people are stupid, and they'll be like,

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Oh, they're making light of it.

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Like, no, asshole.

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That's a storyline that's been around.

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This kind of shit is in stories.

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Incredibles 3 got announced.

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Toy Story 5.

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I do like the premise of Toy Story 5.

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Yeah, kids now are...

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Because I know I saw one of the channels saying,

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Oh, well, they could have done that in all of them.

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There's video games that have been in all of them, but it's different.

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You have little kids being entrenched with the cell phone.

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Because clearly, the kid that Andy gave the toys to is on an iPad, and they're literally

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staring at her from the bottom of the bed.

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They moved around while she was there, and she's just that oblivious to it.

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I think you could get a good story out of that.

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Frozen 3, which is a given.

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I'm not.

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It makes too much money.

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It makes too much money.

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I haven't watched.

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I've seen the first one.

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I have not seen the second one.

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Zootopia 2.

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I saw the first one.

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I think the second one should be good.

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Skeleton Crew, which we talked about Star Wars-wise.

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Don't we miss the other Disney thing is the prequel for Lion King, which I think is going

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to be-

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Actually, I'm interested.

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They already announced that, though.

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They already had a trailer for that.

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No, the trailer came out at D23.

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I thought they had a trailer before, like a teaser trailer.

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Maybe it might have been a teaser.

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No, this is literally-

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I think the teaser was just basically money shots of the lions and stuff like that.

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This is literally a story trailer.

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Because Mufasa is basically-

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He's a nobody.

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No, no, no.

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He becomes king.

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Not Noah.

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I'm a bad Jew.

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I don't remember the name of this story.

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He's leading them out of Egypt.

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Moses?

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He's Moses.

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Because they find him in a river.

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Well, from what I've read-

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They adopt him.

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But they literally find him in the river.

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Yeah, Scar basically trains him and stuff, and then he becomes king.

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And it's like, I kind of understand where Scar-

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Yeah, Scar got passed over.

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I get why he teamed up with the hyenas.

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I saw it, and I'm like, he's Moses.

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They did Disney Legends now, the first year.

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And basically, it was Harrison Ford, John Williams.

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God, who else?

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Jamie Lee Curtis.

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Was it Jamie Lee Curtis?

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Miley Cyrus.

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It's people who've been in-

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Frank Oz.

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Yeah, it's people who have been in Disney stuff for years, is basically who got it.

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But really, Miley Cyrus, she just had that one show.

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Who?

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Miley Cyrus.

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But it was on the air for a long time.

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And she got on stage and apologized for her behavior from 2013 to 2016.

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Don't.

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She's like, I went a little crazy after trying to distance myself from Disney.

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Like JoJo- whatever the fuck her name is.

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Yeah, she's going absolutely nuts.

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They all do it to try and ditch that Disney kid.

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Fucking Lindsay Lohan did it, and Lindsay Lohan was on stage for Jamie Lee Curtis.

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Yeah, because they do it on Freaky Friday too.

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Yeah.

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What did Jamie Lee Curtis-

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She's been in Disney stuff.

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I guess back in the day.

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I'd have to go back and look.

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To get that, she's gotta have done-

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Or it's in Fox stuff.

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Their library tripled once they bought Fox.

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So anything that she's ever been in, it was basically they now own.

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Where's Kirk Russell?

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He was in every fucking Disney movie growing up as a kid.

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That's where he started.

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Is Kirk Russell?

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I don't know.

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You gotta just see where they align now.

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Because he hasn't-

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Patty Mills?

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Was that her name?

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The original Freaky Friday chick?

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Yes.

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Yeah, she was in a ton of Disney stuff.

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She was-

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Annette Funa-

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Like there's so many, I don't know.

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I mean this will be something-

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Because again, D23 used to not be open to the public.

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Yeah.

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So now it is.

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So Disney is literally like,

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we don't need San Diego Comic Con

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because two weeks later we're gonna have a massive thing.

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And I think it was at the Staples Center.

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It was at some big fucking arena.

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Did you see Black Nerd's review of-

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Comic Con?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So apparently you can just chill out.

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You go to one panel before the bigger panel.

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It's like any other panel.

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Because I know people who did it for the Hasbro panels.

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Like the G.I. Joe panels and stuff like that.

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Where they went and sat through whatever was in the room to begin with.

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And then were there for the second one.

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And I think Hasbro might have kicked people out

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because they had multiples back to back.

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I think they might have cleared out the rooms between

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because the lines were so long.

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The Marvel stuff.

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Agatha all along finally got a-

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I guess a better full length trailer.

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More of letting you know what the hell is actually going on.

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I'm looking forward to it.

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah.

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Again, I don't care.

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I will watch anything Star Wars.

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I will watch anything Marvel.

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Why?

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Because I'm a fan.

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It doesn't have to be Oscar worthy.

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I don't care.

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The same reason-

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I love people who complain about it.

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Dude, every issue of a comic book was not a fucking award winner.

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I'm going to watch it just to see how they tie in to everything.

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It's got really good actors and actresses.

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Yeah, it's going to be good.

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It's going to do kind of what-

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Part of that season is going to be what WandaVision was.

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Because the fucking first trailer was literally

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her stuck in a crime procedural.

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Yeah.

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So it's going to be like that.

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I think they're going to do that formula again.

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Just might not be as much.

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Or they're showing-

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All the stuff they've shown is kind of from once all that stops.

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But they're not going to show you all the different-

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Because that to me is the spoiler.

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Like what kind of shows they would be imitating.

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Will they have Mephisto this time?

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He is supposed to be in Ironheart.

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Really?

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Yes, because the hood-

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Like the character-

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So they showed Ironheart.

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They didn't release Ironheart's trailer to the public.

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But you can find it.

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She, after getting kicked out of MIT,

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hooks up with the dude from Hamilton and Transformers,

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Rise of the Beast.

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But he is a character called the Hood.

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And he has this magical cloak.

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The cloak he's wearing in the trailer is a magical artifact.

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And from what rumors have said is

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Sacha Baron Cohen is actually playing Mephisto in that show.

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Because that cloak is a direct connection to-

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He's a magical character.

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He's a magic character.

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Borat's in it?

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Yes.

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Huh, I didn't hear that.

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They showed more of the Fantastic Four.

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They showed them in costume.

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Well they showed one of them in costume.

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Like Johnny was sitting at the table in costume.

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And then they just re-showed the trailer from San Diego.

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Uh...

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Dead Devil Born Again.

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That looks good.

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The trailer for that.

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I can't wait for that to actually get the trailer to the public.

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Because watching it on the handheld cell phone video

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just doesn't give it justice.

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And again, from what I'm hearing is

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they are canonizing all the Netflix shows

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All that shit actually happened.

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They're not going back and changing anything.

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Hopefully they bring back Luke Cage.

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I don't know if that TV show he had on ABC is still going or what.

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Evil?

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I think now it's on the stream.

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Whatever CBS is streaming.

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Whatever they're doing.

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Paramount?

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Yeah, which is about to go away.

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Is it?

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Oh god, we can talk about what's happening with Paramount too.

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They're just...

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Go back to Agatha all along.

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That comes out in a month.

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September...

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18th.

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Is it the 8th or 18th?

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18th.

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And it's going to be...

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Yeah, they're doing two episodes and then it's going to run through basically...

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Pretty much to Halloween.

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Halloween, yeah.

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I mean, next year is going to be fucking jam-packed with Marvel shit.

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I think...

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The point...

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The deal is Ironheart's been held.

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Ironheart's been done.

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Yeah.

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It's been done, so they can do good actual CG.

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And the trailer didn't look bad.

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The CG of the suit and all that looked good.

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Because you have that runs until October.

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I don't know if there's anything in December or November after Agatha.

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But then you have Captain America in February.

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Born Again in March.

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And then...

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Is it Ironheart after that?

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I think so.

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Because I don't know that there's another movie until...

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Thunderbolts comes out.

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Yeah, Thunderbolts.

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Is it summer?

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I think so, yeah.

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I never read Born Again.

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And I kind of went on to see what the comic book was about.

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And I was like, oh, they're not doing this story.

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Actually, from what I understand,

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Jon Bernthal said this may be worse than the Netflix show.

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When they did the rewrite,

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they amped it up.

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Because that original...

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From what I heard, the only thing that was done filming

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when Disney decided to change everything

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was the first two episodes.

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The scripts for everything were pretty much done.

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But they didn't have...

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The first two episodes were completely done.

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And Kevin Feige's like,

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this is not working.

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And he made the call to redo everything.

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Non-Disney, non-Marvel.

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Avatar 3 got a new name.

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Fire and Ash or something like that.

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It's not being called The Seed Bearer anymore.

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Yeah, I'm not...

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I didn't watch the second.

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I was not a fan of the first one.

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I didn't bother watching the second one.

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I was forced to watch the first one

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because I worked at the movie theater at the time.

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And then I just...

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I gave two shits about the second one.

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Tron Ares looks fucking phenomenal.

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Nine Inch Nails is going to do the soundtrack.

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It's not Nine Inch Nails.

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It's not Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross.

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It's being billed as Nine Inch Nails.

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She always wants old school Nine Inch Nails.

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This is probably the closest you're going to get.

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I don't know that there's going to be a song with lyrics.

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But there's going to be songs that sound like old...

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What was that? Teeth?

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Was it a lot of just instrumental?

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Probably have to ask her.

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Yeah, you'd have to ask her.

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But yeah, I think this is going to be...

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There's probably...

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There was a small bit of rain that was supposed to come through.

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But yeah, this is going to be the closest you're going to get

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to that old original Nine Inch Nails.

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It's all...

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Look who did...

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Daft Punk did...

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The movie, yeah.

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The other movie.

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He's going to do this.

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So he's going...

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I think you're going to get some of that industrial techno.

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So it's a TV show, right?

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No, it's a movie.

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It's a movie?

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Yeah.

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And it's focused on Jared Leto's character?

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I know his character in the other Tron was in the real world.

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I don't know if this is supposed to be his avatar getting out.

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Because the whole movie is about the stuff from the server getting out.

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Because Jeff Bridges comes back and he gets...

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I think he gets out as well, finally.

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But I don't know that the other...

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I don't know that the people from the first...

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You would have...

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You would assume the dude and the girl from the first...

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From technically the second one because Tron is technically the first one.

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Olivia Wilde and...

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Olivia Wilde and whoever that dude was.

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You would have to assume they'd have to show up some kind of way.

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Is that Charlie Hull?

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No, it's not Charlie Hull.

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I don't remember what he...

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I don't know.

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I haven't seen him in a lot of stuff.

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But you would have to assume they'd have to show up because she came out of the server.

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Yeah.

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Which I'm still kind of figuring out how they manifested matter to make bodies when they came out.

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And we don't know what actually happened to Tron.

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He changed from red to blue.

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As he was syncing...

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I think it looks good.

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Just the action sequences they showed.

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Like the light bikes in the actual streets.

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And the fucking light cutting cop cars.

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I'm like, this looks fucking awesome.

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And everybody's like, I don't want Jared...

(21:14)

Jared Leto, just say what you want.

(21:15)

He's a good actor.

(21:18)

He won an Oscar.

(21:19)

He's a good actor.

(21:21)

She gave me shit.

(21:21)

Oh, you wanted to see his Joker?

(21:22)

I'm like...

(21:24)

Hey, Jared Leto Joker, yes.

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The fucking tatted up monstrosity that was in Suicide Squad, no.

(21:30)

So that dude is still trying to...

(21:32)

It's never gonna happen.

(21:33)

...petition the...

(21:34)

Fucking James Gunn's not gonna do that shit.

(21:37)

Freaky Friday 2 got some stills from the movie.

(21:46)

Win or Lose is Pixar's TV show for Disney+.

(21:50)

Their first TV show that they're doing.

(21:54)

Yeah.

(21:56)

Some more Pixar stuff.

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The Mustafa, Ironheart.

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Indoor Season 2 takes place over multiple years.

(22:05)

Yeah, so whereas the first season we had three episode arcs

(22:09)

that took place within like a year.

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This is gonna be like three episode arcs that take place

(22:16)

every year leading up to Rogue One.

(22:19)

Because originally they were gonna do a full season per year.

(22:22)

When they originally pitched the show,

(22:24)

it was gonna be a year for every...

(22:28)

They were gonna do a season for every year leading up to Rogue One

(22:32)

because the first season takes place 5 BBY.

(22:35)

So then the second season was gonna take place

(22:37)

four years before the Battle of Yavin.

(22:40)

Then it was gonna go each year until they got to Rogue One

(22:43)

when they stole the...

(22:44)

So basically...

(22:45)

And now they're only doing two seasons.

(22:47)

So what people are speculating is the last episode

(22:50)

is gonna be whatever mission he was on.

(22:54)

It was ending at the beginning of Rogue One.

(22:58)

Yeah.

(23:00)

I didn't even realize Cousin was in that.

(23:04)

That's why I have no problem with him playing Ben Grimm.

(23:07)

No?

(23:08)

He's a great actor.

(23:12)

Mandalorian and Grogu.

(23:15)

A little teaser, I guess you could say.

(23:18)

Shit that was already filmed for the movie.

(23:24)

Percy Jackson Season 2.

(23:28)

I know the movies were horrible when they tried to make them.

(23:35)

I'm assuming the show is better.

(23:37)

Because you can do a book better in a TV show than a movie.

(23:40)

Edge is in it.

(23:42)

Is he?

(23:43)

Yeah, he's one of the gods.

(23:45)

And then you had a new trailer for Captain America

(23:49)

which actually shows Thunderbolt Ross turning into the Red Hulk.

(23:54)

At a press conference. In front of the world.

(23:57)

I love Harrison Ford right now.

(23:59)

How he just doesn't give a shit.

(24:01)

He's just flat out like,

(24:02)

Yeah, they gave me a load of money.

(24:04)

Sure, I'll do some mo-cap for you.

(24:07)

He hates Star Wars with a passion.

(24:10)

He loves money.

(24:11)

But he loves fucking Indiana Jones.

(24:14)

He did Indiana Jones giddily.

(24:18)

I feel like.

(24:19)

He wanted to do that.

(24:21)

It wasn't money.

(24:22)

He wanted to do that movie.

(24:24)

This one's clearly money.

(24:27)

And he just loves going to these comic book conventions

(24:29)

and blowing people off

(24:30)

because they ask him these fucking questions

(24:35)

that nerds and fans want to know answers to

(24:37)

and he's like, I don't know.

(24:39)

I just read what they give me.

(24:42)

Yeah, you kind of.

(24:44)

Him on a stage just kind of goofing off.

(24:46)

Yeah, I don't know what the hell he was doing.

(24:47)

He looked like he was losing his mind.

(24:49)

Oh, you want to see?

(24:50)

This is what it looks like when I turn into the Hulk.

(24:53)

Like he would fucking.

(24:56)

Anthony Mackie said something about,

(24:57)

you know, I got a movie and I got Harrison fucking Ford

(25:00)

and like he goes running.

(25:01)

Like, what are you fucking doing?

(25:05)

It's like.

(25:09)

Other news slightly before we get to what we've seen.

(25:13)

Borderlands came out this weekend,

(25:15)

bombed miserably, started off with a zero on Rotten Tomatoes,

(25:19)

slowly climbed up to nine.

(25:22)

But when it was all said and done,

(25:24)

only made less than 10 mil opening weekend domestically.

(25:28)

Made 8 million domestically.

(25:30)

And.

(25:32)

I think another eight global.

(25:35)

Eight or 16.

(25:36)

I have to pull up exactly what the box office is right now.

(25:40)

Altogether, I think it's at 16.

(25:42)

If you count domestic and international.

(25:46)

Books will be written about how that movie was made in the nightmare

(25:50)

that it caused 10 different writers,

(25:53)

two or three different directors.

(25:57)

The movie was finished in 2018, 2019.

(26:02)

And then, of course, COVID happened.

(26:04)

And then they, I think after COVID,

(26:06)

they came back and reshot everything.

(26:08)

They brought on Elon Roth, Eli Roth.

(26:11)

No, it's at 15 million total internationally.

(26:15)

So domestically, it's saying it's, I guess, as of right now,

(26:19)

it's at 10 to internationally for seven.

(26:22)

And so worldwide of 14.

(26:27)

With a budget of 115 million dollars.

(26:30)

I mean, I guess that's what happens when you have to reshoot a shit ton of it.

(26:33)

Yeah.

(26:34)

Apparently the writing is so bad that the.

(26:38)

The guy, the first writer.

(26:41)

That used majority of the stuff in the movie from they want his name.

(26:45)

Taken off the credits.

(26:47)

He doesn't want nothing to do with the movie.

(26:49)

So I think they made up a fake name.

(26:51)

See, I love when people do that.

(26:53)

Like, no, right.

(26:53)

You own this.

(26:55)

Like, this is you.

(26:56)

You wrote this shit.

(26:58)

Yeah, that's the problem.

(26:59)

It's like, but like that one thing could like kill his career for the rest.

(27:02)

It's like, no, I don't want my name on this.

(27:04)

Dude, there's a shit ton of people who have written shitty fucking movies.

(27:07)

Who have gotten more work.

(27:08)

And it fucking boggles the mind.

(27:12)

Hollywood, you know, look.

(27:13)

Writers went on strike to basically say,

(27:15)

we want to continue being able to fail upwards.

(27:22)

The from what I've heard.

(27:24)

I'm sure I'm going to watch it eventually when it comes to streaming.

(27:30)

I've heard, but I heard it's like pretty lame.

(27:33)

Like all the jokes are lame.

(27:34)

And so it's PG 13 for a very hard R video game.

(27:39)

So here's what I will say about video game adaptations into movies or television.

(27:47)

I haven't watched The Last of Us.

(27:49)

I have no interest in The Last of Us.

(27:50)

The first game.

(27:51)

I'm sorry.

(27:52)

I remember when the first game came out and it was shit.

(27:54)

Everybody complained about it.

(27:56)

It's like fucking Ellie can just goes and stands out in the middle of the fucking room.

(28:00)

And she doesn't follow you like she's supposed to.

(28:02)

But everyone remembers that fucking game with Rose tinted fucking glasses.

(28:08)

But The Last of Us TV show.

(28:10)

The fucking person who created The Last of Us.

(28:12)

Neil.

(28:13)

Is a fucking.

(28:14)

Neil Druckmann is a fucking executive producer.

(28:17)

He's fucking directing episode like he's involved in the show.

(28:21)

Here's the thing with the show.

(28:23)

I'm like you with the game.

(28:24)

I heard so much stuff about how amazing this game is.

(28:27)

I got up to Pittsburgh and I'm like I'm done.

(28:30)

This is the same shit over and over just different location.

(28:34)

I get it.

(28:36)

It's a great fucking story.

(28:37)

It's a great adventure.

(28:38)

You go the characters you you get to build and fall in love with the characters.

(28:43)

But my biggest issue with the TV show.

(28:45)

It's repetitive.

(28:46)

Well, yeah, the game is repetitive.

(28:47)

My biggest issue with the TV show is how good is the TV show when the only episode people talked about was the Nick Offerman episode from season one.

(28:57)

That episode overshadowed your entire first season.

(29:02)

I watch a small part of the game.

(29:05)

That's not even that's fucking flashbacks.

(29:07)

That's collectibles.

(29:09)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

(29:10)

Like that's not like that's a tiny portion of the game.

(29:13)

That's if you don't go into this abandoned house and find the letter that his character wrote about how he left and what really happened to him when he left him and he became all alone.

(29:31)

I do say the TV show is very good.

(29:35)

Pascal is very good as Joel.

(29:38)

He's getting used to much himself.

(29:41)

Yes, he's reaching over saturation.

(29:45)

Because now he's in fucking commercials.

(29:47)

He's in Corona commercials.

(29:50)

So the whole thing with him and the Mandalorian was like he's on set in the costume in the helmet.

(29:58)

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