Martin and Greg reflect on episode #17 interview with Wilbert Shenk. They discuss the use of thinkers whose major moral failings have come to light (such as John Howard Yoder's sexual abuse of students), the importance of Shenk's Anabaptist contributions to missional ecclesiology, and the meaning of his hope for mission to get a serious hearing in the theological education institution. Sadly, Dr. Shenk passed away on July 13, 2021, shortly after this episode was recorded.