Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Mark Orr, founder of LAB Records.

Starting the company while still at university and promoting DIY shows, Mark has grown LAB to hundreds of releases, while keeping a laser focus on artist development, physical retail, and sustainable growth.

During their chat, Mark also breaks down how Indies compete on the biggest stages, what really moves the UK charts in 2025, and why location outside London can be a superpower rather than a handicap.

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Welcome to The Money Trench!  This week, Mark sits down with Madeleine O’Gorman, General Manager for Mushroom Music Uk & Europe.

Having grown up in Australia’s thriving independent scene before relocating to London, Madeleine has built a career across journalism, agencies, and label management at Liberator and Ivy League before stepping into her current role at Mushroom.

The pair chat about the unique challenges of breaking Australian artists internationally, how Mushroom balances independence with global ambition, and the strategies behind comeback campaigns for established acts like Pendulum and The Temper Trap.

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by David Martin, CEO of the Featured Artist’s Coalition (FAC).

As a leading voice in championing fairness, transparency, and sustainability in the music industry, David is an expert in management, touring, and advocacy.

The pair explore how the FAC is pushing for streaming reform, supporting artists post-Brexit, and fighting for artist-first structures across the music ecosystem.

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Alistair Norbury, President of UK, Europe and Asia-Pacific at BMG. 

Together, they explore how one of the world’s biggest music companies is rethinking deals, rights, and the artist-label relationship.

From signing Kylie Minogue, Louis Tomlinson, and Craig David, to reviving classic catalogues from Black Sabbath, The Kinks, and Gary Numan, Alistair walks us through BMG’s artist-friendly ethos and global strategy.

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Grace Meadows, Head of Music Minds Matter, the mental health charity supporting everyone who works in the music industry.

From her roots as a music therapist to leading campaigns for Help Musicians and Music for Dementia, Grace has become a leading voice for mental health advocacy in the industry.

The pair talk about the urgent mental health challenges facing artists, freelancers, and executives, the positive steps being made with initiatives like per diem payments for songwriters, and why fostering a culture of care is essential for the industry’s long-term health.

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Tom Connaughton, former UK & Ireland MD at Spotify, now Partner and Senior Advisor at Canvas Music Distribution.

From pirate radio and Sony Music, to MySpace, Vevo, and Spotify, Tom has lived through every twist in the digital music revolution. Now he’s helping artists navigate a saturated market through boutique distribution and hands-on support.

The pair catch up to reflect on Spotify’s past and future, how independent distribution is evolving, and whether AI and 130,000 songs a day could break the system.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Junkhead Studio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes 

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Cliff Fluet, partner at Lewis Silkin, MD of Eleven Advisory, and now Chair of Music Technology UK.

Cliff has spent decades helping artists, managers, rights holders, and tech companies navigate the complicated world of law, licensing, and innovation, from the rise of digital media, to the current era of generative AI.

The pair chat about launching the first Music Tech UK Report, the real state of AI in music, the economic importance of catalogue acquisition, and what the future holds in terms of music technology.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tom A Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes 

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by legendary label exec, David Massey, whose career has spanned over 40 years at labels such as Epic, Sony, Mercury, Island, and most recently Arista Records.

Fresh off his retirement from corporate life, Massey reflects on working with global artists like Oasis, Shakira, Shawn Mendes, and The Killers, while offering his perspective on the music industry’s evolution.

During the week leading up to the big Oasis reunion, the pair chat about bringing the band to America, the ongoing need for artist development, AI’s impact on music, and the lessons of longevity from both artists and executives.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tom A Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes 

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week we celebrate our 50th episode and Mark is joined by Jim King, CEO of AEG Europe’s Festival Division.

Jim is the driving force behind some of the UK’s biggest live music events, including American Express presents BST Hyde Park, All Points East, and newly launched Lido Festival.

The pair chat backstage at BST Hyde Park to reflect on a career that spans Creamfields, Bestival, RockNess, and building AEG’s festival empire. Jim shares hard-earned insights on festival economics, grassroots venue survival, booking headliners, and keeping UK live music at the top of the global game.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Earth/Percent⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tom A Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes 

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Alison Howe, Executive Producer of Music at BBC Studios, and the driving force behind the BBC’s epic Glastonbury TV coverage.

With over 30 years at the BBC and a background spanning Radio 1, Later with Jools Holland, and iconic music specials, Alison shares her journey from secretarial college to being the BBC’s go-to for live music broadcasting.

The pair chat leading up to the world-renowned Glastonbury festival to talk about behind the scenes logistics, broadcast politics, surprise sets, and the any weather reality of producing one of the most-watched music events in the UK.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Earth/Percent⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tom A Smith⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Junkhead Studio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes