The Money Trench - The Music Industry Podcast with Mark Sutherland

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Tom Connaughton, former UK & Ireland MD at Spotify, now Partner and Senior Advisor at Canvas Music Distribution.

From pirate radio and Sony Music, to MySpace, Vevo, and Spotify, Tom has lived through every twist in the digital music revolution. Now he’s helping artists navigate a saturated market through boutique distribution and hands-on support.

The pair catch up to reflect on Spotify’s past and future, how independent distribution is evolving, and whether AI and 130,000 songs a day could break the system.

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Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Cliff Fluet, partner at Lewis Silkin, MD of Eleven Advisory, and now Chair of Music Technology UK.

Cliff has spent decades helping artists, managers, rights holders, and tech companies navigate the complicated world of law, licensing, and innovation, from the rise of digital media, to the current era of generative AI.

The pair chat about launching the first Music Tech UK Report, the real state of AI in music, the economic importance of catalogue acquisition, and what the future holds in terms of music technology.

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Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by legendary label exec, David Massey, whose career has spanned over 40 years at labels such as Epic, Sony, Mercury, Island, and most recently Arista Records.

Fresh off his retirement from corporate life, Massey reflects on working with global artists like Oasis, Shakira, Shawn Mendes, and The Killers, while offering his perspective on the music industry’s evolution.

During the week leading up to the big Oasis reunion, the pair chat about bringing the band to America, the ongoing need for artist development, AI’s impact on music, and the lessons of longevity from both artists and executives.

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week we celebrate our 50th episode and Mark is joined by Jim King, CEO of AEG Europe’s Festival Division.

Jim is the driving force behind some of the UK’s biggest live music events, including American Express presents BST Hyde Park, All Points East, and newly launched Lido Festival.

The pair chat backstage at BST Hyde Park to reflect on a career that spans Creamfields, Bestival, RockNess, and building AEG’s festival empire. Jim shares hard-earned insights on festival economics, grassroots venue survival, booking headliners, and keeping UK live music at the top of the global game.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Alison Howe, Executive Producer of Music at BBC Studios, and the driving force behind the BBC’s epic Glastonbury TV coverage.

With over 30 years at the BBC and a background spanning Radio 1, Later with Jools Holland, and iconic music specials, Alison shares her journey from secretarial college to being the BBC’s go-to for live music broadcasting.

The pair chat leading up to the world-renowned Glastonbury festival to talk about behind the scenes logistics, broadcast politics, surprise sets, and the any weather reality of producing one of the most-watched music events in the UK.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Geoff Ellis, CEO of DF Concerts, the Scottish live music powerhouse behind TRNSMT Festival, King Tut’s Wah Wah Hut, and countless shows across Scotland.

Celebrating 40 years in the industry, Geoff shares the lessons learned from a life spent promoting the biggest stars, including Oasis, Radiohead, and Pulp.

The pair talk during one of the busiest live music summers ever to talk about festival economics, artist ticket pricing, grassroots venue survival, the Oasis reunion phenomenon, and why he once banned the rugby club from student discos.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Johan Lagerlof, Managing Partner of Pophouse Entertainment, the company with catalogue investments in artists like KISS, Avicii and Swedish House Mafia, the founding investors of ABBA Voyage.

With a background spanning Spotify, Warner Music, and a career as a songwriter and entrepreneur, Johan unpacks how immersive tech, catalogue strategy, and legacy storytelling are shaping the next generation of music experiences.

Recorded during SXSW London, the pair talk about the future of live performance, the art of turning music into emotional storytelling, and how investing in legacy catalogues can power new cultural moments for generations to come.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aimless Play⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes 

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark is joined by Kim Frankiewicz, EVP Worldwide A&R at Concord Music Publishing, and a true veteran of the global business.

From INXS and the Aussie pub circuit, to signing Mark Ronson and Daft Punk, Kim has seen it all. Now she leads one of the most respected publishing teams in the world.

Mark sits down with Kim at the studio of artist merch company whynow Music to talk about her journey from live promotions in Australia, to top-level publishing roles in New York and London. Kim shares her views on streaming remuneration, AI, songwriter support, and how to build a career with global longevity in the modern industry.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourth Pillar⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sennheiser⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes 

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down with Jamie Oborne, founder of Dirty Hit Records and All On Red Management, and the guiding force behind The 1975, Bleachers, The Japanese House, and more.

Jamie shares his journey from artist to manager to label boss, building one of the most influential independent operations in the UK music industry.

Mark joins Jamie at Dirty Hit HQ for a candid conversation about building artist-first businesses, dealing with viral fame and controversies, maintaining independence, and preparing for one of the biggest gigs of their career: The 1975 at Glastonbury.

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes 

Welcome to The Money Trench! This week, Mark sits down and chats with multi-platinum UK songwriter and creative entrepreneur, Jin Jin.

With hits for Jess Glynne, Raye, Jax Jones, David Guetta, Becky Hill, Sabrina Carpenter, and many more, the pair discuss the songwriting economy, streaming reform, creative development, and what it takes to build a sustainable career behind the scenes.

Recorded during Ivors week, Jin Jin reflects on her own Ivor nomination, why songwriters still struggle to get paid fairly, and why she founded her own label, management, and publishing company to help new talent rise. Plus, Jin Jin’s baby Jet makes his TMT debut!

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⁠⁠⁠⁠Tape Notes⁠⁠⁠⁠

Executive Producer: Mike Walsh

Producer: Tape Notes