I speak with Alisa Gravitz, longtime leader of Green America, about everything we've already achieved through decades of environmental activism and why this is no time to lose hope. We talk about the birth of the environmental and cooperative movements in the US, the incredible transition to renewable energy that has already happened in the US and around the world, and Green America's recent campaigns to bring the biggest energy consumers- data centers- to heel. And she talks about how even when governments fail, we continue to hold the power to drive the changes we need. And, of course, we talk about stories.