Episode Summary

In this thought-provoking episode, Todd DeVoe and Dan Scott explore “The Myth of Control”—a concept that challenges one of the most fundamental assumptions in emergency management: that we can control chaos. Drawing from philosophy, leadership theory, and real-world emergency operations, they unpack how the illusion of control shapes decisions, policies, and leadership under pressure.

The hosts discuss the paradox that while control provides comfort and structure, it can also lead to rigidity and tunnel vision during crises. They explore the balance between preparedness and adaptability, and how embracing uncertainty can make leaders—and organizations—more resilient.

Listeners will leave with a deeper understanding of why humility, trust, and systems thinking are essential for navigating disasters' unpredictable nature.

Key Talking Points

* What “control” means in emergency management and why it’s an illusion.

* The difference between command and influence in crisis leadership.

* Stoic and philosophical insights on accepting uncertainty and focusing on what can be controlled.

* How overconfidence and bureaucratic rigidity undermine effective response.

* Real-world examples where flexibility outperformed strict adherence to plans.

* Building cultures that prioritize adaptability, learning, and empowerment over control.

* Emotional intelligence, trust, and psychological safety are essential in EOC leadership.

* Practical strategies for letting go—trusting your team, systems, and training.

Quotes to Remember

“Control is the myth we tell ourselves to feel safe in the storm.” – Todd DeVoe

“In crisis leadership, it’s not about controlling every variable—it’s about influencing outcomes through people.” – Dan Scott

About the Hosts

Todd DeVoe, CEM, is the Editor-in-Chief of the Emergency Management Network and the Emergency Management Coordinator for the City of Inglewood.

Dan Scott, CEM, is a regional emergency management leader and co-host of the EMN Podcast, bringing decades of operational experience and mentorship to the discussion.

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