Ray DiBernardo, Portfolio Manager of the XAI Madison Equity Premium Income fund, says that covered-call strategies have become increasingly popular of late, as investors want to goose income while reducing market risk. DiBernardo, an analyst at Madison Investments, notes that investors have been intrigued by covered-call strategies for about two decades, but the availability of more options-based strategies through the advent of ETFs has made investors more aware of how to find income-enhancement through covered calls. DiBernardo, notes that covered call strategies did well in 2022, when the overall market was struggling, which also has increased their use as a hedge against market risk with the market trading at record highs.

John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, talks about how current conditions have made for nervous times in the business-development company space, and he looks at history to determine whether the risks are systemic rather than situational. The conversation looks at how the BDC space has gotten extensive scrutiny recently from the Financial Times and on sites like Seeking Alpha, with some observers forecasting trouble ahead; Scott, who is also the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, acknowledges the potential for trouble but also highlights the differences between the top tier companies and the weaker players to conclude that there is less danger than the coverage suggests.

Axel Merk, Chief Investment Officer of the ASA Gold and Precious Metals Fund, says that while gold has been rolling this year, the start of rate cuts along with a weakening dollar and persistent geopolitical risks (including tariffs) make it that there is no end in sight for the precious metals rally to continue. ASA Gold, which invests largely in junior mining companies, is up more than 100 percent year-to-date (compared to roughly 40 percent gains for physical gold ETFs), but still carries a double-digit discount, and Merk explains why that is logical given current market conditions.

John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, acknowledges how many consumers shy away from closed-end funds, fearing complexity or an investment type they don't fully understand. The chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance would obviously favor closed-end funds, but he sizes up situations where a closed-end fund and an ETF or a fund-of-funds cover the same asset class and why he would choose one over the other or whether he might mix and match for better balance.

In this interview from the "Money Life with Chuck Jaffe" podcast, John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, discusses his "trifecta analysis" of closed-end funds and how he will frequently add or drop funds to take advantage of market conditions and make the most of tax circumstances, capturing incremental gains and minimizing incremental losses to squeeze the client's desired result in their portfolio.

Rob Thummel, Senior Portfolio Manager at Tortoise Capital, says that this is "the best time I have ever seen" in a three-decade career to be investing in energy. Thummel, who manages Tortoise Energy Infrastructure, notes that the U.S. has grown into the largest energy producer and energy exporter in the world, but that it now needs expanded infrastructure to build on that leadership position. Moreover, the energy sector and technology sector have come together with the development of artificial intelligence, which needs high levels of energy and which should drive demand for "decades to come," particularly in the natural gas sector.

Kimberly Flynn, President at XA Investments, discusses the recent executive order signed by President Trump that allows a dramatic expansion of alternative assets to be part of 401(k) and other retirement plans. While the headlines have made it seem like crypto bros will blow up their retirement plans with alternatives, Flynn discusses how many firms running life-cycle and target-date funds may decide to make allocations to more alternative asset classes, which could create opportunities for interval funds or closed-end funds. She also discusses when and if Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies might be available in some from of closed-end offering.

Mitchel Penn, Managing Director of Equity Research for Oppenheimer & Co., says that business-development companies are now "fairly valued" by the market, which means that their biggest potential gains for the remainder of the year will come from simply capturing dividend payouts. In 2026, with the industry likely facing interest rate cuts, BDCs will see their return on equity shrink in line with rate declines, saying that for every 1% cut in rates, BDC payouts would be expected to shrink in step. In an interview from AICA's BDC Forum in June, Penn noted that he was worried about a spike in credit losses that BDCs experienced in the first quarter of 2025; he said that pressure has passed, dramatically reducing his concerns about the potential for BDCs to disappoint investors.

Matt Freund, Co-Chief Investment Officer at Calamos Investments, expects the Federal Reserve to make "a couple of cuts this year, followed by two or three cuts next year," and that those moves will be made while inflation stays at current levels or rise slightly. With those cuts, Freund thinks there will be a steepening yield curve, around 3 percent, creating more opportunities. Freund, whose team manages the Calamos Closed End Fund Income & Arbitrage ETF, says that the yield curve changes would bring borrowing costs down and "present a nice springboard" for closed-end funds, particularly among muni funds, the managed limited partnership space and funds with exposure to natural gas and small caps.

Kenneth Burdon, an attorney with Simpson Thacher and Bartlett, discusses the court case between Saba Capital and four closed-end fund sponsors that has wound its way to the U.S. Supreme Court and that is expected to force a change in the tactics of the industry's most prominent activist investor or in the way management companies protect themselves against aggressive shareholder actions. Saba challenged the four companies' actions in adopting a Maryland law that makes it more difficult for outside investors to gain control through a proxy fight. Burdon says Saba is the only company to challenge closed-end fund governance in federal court, and that the company could lose that tactic without significantly reducing its ability to pursue activist actions, just taking more common and traditional tactics used by others. Burdon says, based on precedents, that he expects the decision to come down in favor of the fund sponsors