On today’s episode of The Necessary Conversation, we unpack one of the most explosive news cycles yet—newly released Epstein materials that repeatedly reference Donald Trump, journalists being arrested while covering protests, the FBI seizing 2020 election ballots, and Trump suing the United States government for billions of dollars. And Bob shows off his new MAGA cowboy hat given to him by Hasan Piker.

This episode gets heavy, fast.

🔥 Trump & the Epstein Files

This week the DOJ released a massive new batch of Epstein-related materials—while confirming that millions more files will never be released. The documents include text, images, and videos in which Donald Trump is referenced thousands of times, along with many other powerful figures.

We discuss:

• Allegations contained in the newly released materials
• Why certain documents briefly disappeared before being restored
• Why victim names were published unredacted while alleged co-conspirators were not
• Why the DOJ says this release ends its legal obligation

We also ask the hardest question yet: If this isn’t enough, what would be?

📰 Journalists Arrested for Doing Their Jobs

Trump’s crackdown on the press escalated as journalists Don Lemon and Georgia Fort were arrested while covering a controversial protest at a church in Minnesota.

We break down:

• What they were charged with
• Why press freedom groups are alarmed
• What this means for journalism under any future administration

🗳️ FBI Seizes 2020 Ballots in Georgia

Federal agents removed physical ballots, voting machine records, and tabulator data from Fulton County—ground zero of Trump’s 2020 election pressure campaign.

We discuss:

• Why the FBI took the ballots
• Why there’s concern over chain of custody
• What this could mean for future elections

🌌 Simmer Down

We take a breather with a lighter question:
 Who is your favorite Star Wars character?

🎬 Melania’s Movie Flops

Melania Trump’s documentary Melania, directed by Brett Ratner, opened nationwide—and collapsed at the box office.

We look at:

• Why the film bombed
• Where MAGA support was
• What this means for Ratner’s attempted comeback

💰 Trump Sues America

Trump, his sons, and the Trump Organization are suing the IRS and Treasury for $10 billion, accusing them of failing to protect his tax information.

Yes—Trump is suing agencies he currently controls.

We ask:

• How is this not a conflict of interest?
• Should a president be able to extract taxpayer money this way?
• Has anything like this ever happened before? (No.)

💬 We ask throughout the episode:

• Do these Epstein disclosures change anything?
• Is a free press optional in a democracy?
• Should any president be allowed to seize ballots?
• How far can executive power go before it breaks the system?

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In this midweek episode Chad and Mary Lou play clips for one another from different sides of the aisle regarding the murder of Alex Pretti in Minnesota.

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This week on The Necessary Conversation, we cover one of the most disturbing weeks yet in Trump’s second term — from ICE killing an American citizen in broad daylight, to toddlers being detained and transported across state lines, to Trump humiliating the U.S. on the world stage while openly mocking climate science.

🚨 ICE This Week: Children Detained, American Citizen Killed

ICE escalated its campaign of terror with actions that shocked the nation:

• ICE used a 5-year-old child as bait, coercing him to knock on his own front door so agents could detain his father. Both were sent to a detention camp in Texas despite the family entering the U.S. legally and having an active asylum case.
• ICE detained a 2-year-old girl, ignored a judge’s order for her immediate release, and still transported her to Texas.
• ICE agents killed U.S. citizen Alex Jeffrey Pretti, an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA, after he tried to protect a woman they had shoved to the ground.
  • Pretti was unarmed when shot
  • Had no criminal record
  • Was legally carrying a firearm before being disarmed
  • Was shot 10–12 times despite posing no threat

Kristi Noem publicly lied about the incident. ICE is withholding the name of the agent, denied state investigators access to the scene, and reportedly detained witnesses.

🌍 Trump at Davos: Greenland, Grift, and Global Fallout

At the World Economic Forum:

• Trump rambled about American dominance and his obsession with taking Greenland
• Introduced his so-called “Board of Peace”, a pay-to-play alliance requiring countries to give Trump $1 billion and never oppose him
• No European nations joined — while countries that have previously bribed Trump were invited

In response, China and several European countries began selling off U.S. Treasury bonds, risking long-term damage to the dollar.

🏛️ Trump’s Racism on Full Display

This week Trump:

• Ordered exhibits about slavery removed from the President’s House Site in Philadelphia — erasing the history of the enslaved people owned by George and Martha Washington
• Failed to acknowledge Martin Luther King Jr. Day until after intense backlash, finally posting after the day had already passed

🧊 Climate Disaster & Trump’s Climate Denial

One of the largest winter storms in U.S. history slammed the country:

• Up to 2 feet of snow
• Over 200 million people impacted
• Thousands of flights canceled
• More than 135,000 without power
• 15+ states declared emergencies

Experts explain how climate change increases storm severity — yet Trump responded by mocking global warming on social media, once again proving he doesn’t understand basic climate science.

🧘 Simmer Down

We take a pause to look at Haley’s wedding photos from 22 years ago, offering a rare moment of calm in an otherwise heavy episode.

💬 We ask:

• Should ICE be allowed to detain children and kill citizens without accountability?
• Why is Trump erasing American history?
• What happens when a president openly denies climate reality?
• How much damage can one administration do in a single week?

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The Lib Sibs are back to discuss their appearance on Hasan Piker's show today as well as some of the current political issues form the week AND the recent UFO documentary Age of Disclosure. Enjoy a casual conversation in the middle of the week as we prepare for this Sunday's full show.

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⚠️ NOTE: Haley is not on this episode — she’s out galavanting — but Mary Lou brings in her MAGA friend Jules as a special guest, making for one of the most intense and revealing conversations we’ve had yet.

This week on The Necessary Conversation, we break down a terrifying escalation of federal power, shocking allegations tied to the Epstein network, and Trump openly flirting with the end of elections and international war — all while ICE violence spirals out of control inside the United States.

🚨 ICE Violence & the Insurrection Act

As peaceful protests erupt in Minnesota over ICE abuses, Trump threatens to invoke the Insurrection Act, potentially allowing the U.S. military to be used against American civilians.

This week alone:

• ICE shot a Venezuelan man in the leg
• Tear-gassed a 6-month-old baby, causing the child to stop breathing
• Blinded a U.S. citizen by shooting him in the eye at point-blank range
• Arrested hundreds of U.S. citizens without cause
• A 55-year-old Cuban immigrant, Geraldo Lunas Campos, was choked to death in ICE custody, ruled a homicide by the medical examiner

We also reveal:

• ICE training has been slashed from 6 months to 6 weeks
• Hiring standards have collapsed
• An ICE officer recently pleaded guilty to raping a detainee
• 73.6% of ICE detainees have no criminal record
• DHS is using Nazi-adjacent slogans and white-nationalist imagery in recruitment content

Despite a federal judge ordering ICE to stop arresting protesters and using force, the order is being ignored, and Trump is now preparing to deploy 1,500 U.S. Army troops into Minneapolis.

🔥 Epstein Network Allegations: Sascha Riley Audio

Viral, unverified audio released this week contains explosive allegations from Iraq War veteran Sascha Riley, who claims:

• Trump, Lindsey Graham, Jim Jordan, and Clarence Thomas participated in child trafficking
• Children were raped, tortured, and murdered within the Epstein network
• Trump was physically injured during abuse

Meanwhile, the DOJ is now over a month past the deadline to release the Epstein files — and late Friday filed a motion to block Congress from enforcing release.

We ask:

• Why is the DOJ protecting the Epstein files?
• What happens if these allegations are ignored?
• Who benefits from silence?

💰 Trump’s Offshore Oil Money

Trump sold $500 million worth of seized Venezuelan oil — and instead of placing the money in the U.S. Treasury, parked it in a Qatari bank account.

Yes, the same Qatar that just gave him a $400 million jet.

Why offshore?
 Who controls the money?
 Where is the oversight?

🗳️ “We Shouldn’t Even Have an Election”

In a Reuters interview, Trump said:

The White House says he was “joking.”

We ask the obvious question:
 What’s the joke?

❄️ Greenland: Tariffs, Threats & NATO Fallout

Trump escalates his Greenland obsession by:

• Threatening 10–25% tariffs on NATO allies
• Pushing for the “complete and total purchase” of Greenland
• Risking a fracture of NATO

Only 4% of Americans support this plan — yet Trump presses on.

🤖 GROK Goes to War

Pete Hegseth announces Elon Musk’s AI Grok will be integrated into classified Pentagon systems, despite Grok’s history of:

• Deepfake sexual images

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In this mid-week episode Chad plays clips for Mary Lou to show her just how bad things are in Minnesota. Will she believe what she's seeing and hearing is even real?

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This week on The Necessary Conversation, we cover one of the most disturbing weeks yet — from the killing of a U.S. citizen by an ICE agent in Minnesota, to mass protests and bloodshed in Iran, to Trump openly floating military action against Greenland and claiming that the only thing that can stop him is his own mind.

Are we watching the normalization of authoritarian power in real time?

🚨 ICE Kills Renée Nicole Good

During ICE’s largest raid in Minnesota history, 37-year-old U.S. citizen and mother of three Renée Nicole Good was shot and killed by ICE officer Jonathan Ross.
Officials claimed self-defense — but video shows Ross firing as Good attempted to flee and posed no imminent threat.

ICE then blocked medical aid, Trump falsely claimed the agent was hospitalized, and JD Vance defended the killing by saying ICE agents have “absolute immunity.”
As protests erupt nationwide, a new movement — “ICE Out For Good” — has launched over 1,000 demonstrations across the country.

We ask:

• Was this shooting justified?
• Should ICE agents have absolute immunity?
• Why is the administration blocking an independent investigation?

🏫 ICE Storms a Public High School

The same operation saw ICE agents raid Roosevelt High School in Minneapolis, using pepper spray and force on staff.
Classes were canceled for safety as hundreds were detained across immigrant communities — particularly Somali neighborhoods.

Why Minnesota?
 Why a public school?
 And is this coming to other cities next?

🇮🇷 Iran in Revolt

Protests in Iran have exploded into a full-scale uprising against clerical rule.
 The regime responded with:

• A nationwide internet blackout
• Mass arrests
• Live ammunition used on protesters
  Hospitals report overwhelming numbers of dead and wounded.

Trump warns Iran not to shoot protesters — while quietly weighing military options.

Could this ever happen here?
 Would Trump ever shut down the internet in the U.S.?

❄️ Trump Threatens Greenland

Trump says the U.S. will take Greenland “the nice way or the hard way” and has asked the military to prepare invasion plans.
European leaders warn this could fracture NATO and spark global conflict.

Is this bluster — or the road to World War III?

⚡ “My Own Mind Is the Only Check on My Power”

Trump vetoed two bipartisan bills that passed unanimously — killing:

• A clean-water project for rural Colorado
• Tribal land protections in Florida

When asked what checks his power, Trump said:

Should that terrify us?

📉 Jobs Down, Housing Unaffordable

• Just 50,000 jobs added in December
• 2025: one of the weakest job years since the pandemic
• Housing is now less affordable than ever in U.S. history

Meanwhile Trump talks about giving $100,000 to every Greenland resident.

🛢️ Venezuelan Oil Fantasy

Trump says oil companies will invest $100 billion in Venezuela — but:

• Exxon calls it “uninvestable”
• ConocoPhillips says conditions make it impossible
• Halliburton says Trump’s own sanctions drove them out

Trump also says Venezuelan oil profits would go into accounts he personally controls.

Is this corruption — or something worse?

🎵 Simmer Down

We lighten things up with:

• Dad finally answering his celebrity cr

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In today's episode we are joined by a very special guest. A family therapist. But not just any family therapist. She's better known for her TikToks exposing emails the Trump team sends to people to raise money.

Her social media can be found here:

https://www.instagram.com/happymomandgrandma1/

https://www.tiktok.com/@kclmfft

Karen is a licensed marriage and family therapist, here today in in an educational and conversational role, not as anyone’s therapist. She won’t be providing therapy, diagnoses, or individualized mental health advice, as she is not licensed in your/our states.  Karen will be speaking generally about family dynamics, communication, and what research and clinical experience show about political conflict in families.

This episode is for educational and entertainment purposes and does not constitute mental health treatment.

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This week on The Necessary Conversation the Kultgen family dives into some of the worst things to happen during Trump's second term so far.

🛢️ Oil Wars: The Invasion of Venezuela

• Maduro has long been a key figure in narco-terrorism and drug smuggling. Is his capture a good thing?
• Trump has threatened to do the same thing in Mexico and Cuba. Is this smash and grab strategy a good idea?
• This was an illegal military action done without the knowledge of congress. Do you have any faith that the military will obey international law or will they just do what Trump says?
• What happened to America first?
• Is the war with Venezuela a distraction from the Epstein Files?

🏥 Healthcare Crisis: Premiums Set to Double

• Do you think every American should have access to quality healthcare?
• Why do you think the republicans don’t want people to have health insurance?
• Do you think Trump cares at all about the issue of healthcare for Americans?

🧠 Trump’s Declining Health & Cognitive Tests

• Why do you think Trump initially lied about how his hands got bruised?
• Why do you think Trump has had to take multiple cognitive tests?
• Why do you think Trump is lying about falling asleep in meetings?

🧊 Simmer Down (Family Segment)

• What do you think is the most prominent Kultgen family physical trait?

🚱 Dirty Water: The Veto Against Lauren Boebert

• Why do you think Trump vetoed this clean drinking water bill?
• Do you think it’s okay for a president to pursue petty revenge at the cost of American citizens’ health?
• Do you think a good person would veto this bill and put tens of thousands of americans at risk of cancer?

📂 Trump’s Friends & The Epstein Files

• Do you believe trump told Marjorie Taylor Greene that if the Epstein files came out it would hurt his friends?
• Why do you think Trump cares about his friends getting hurt more than he cares about Epstein’s victims?

🧸 Trump Doesn’t Care About Children (Childcare Funding Freeze)

• Why freeze the funds nationwide if this is just happening in Minnesota?
• Do you think Trump cares at all about the kids that are affected by this?

📮 New Postmarking Rules & Election Integrity

• Do you think Trump had anything to do with getting this change implemented?

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In this special Friday episode Chad plays Mary Lou a youtube video by Keith Edwards that outlines exactly why Nick Shirley's video about Somali fraud in Minnesota is wrong.

Keith Edwards video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9yGM2LrDM

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