Thirty years ago, a young hacker named Jeff Moss (aka The Dark Tangent) threw a party in the desert of Nevada to commemorate the demise of a bulletin board system called PlatinumNet. Unlike the other handful of hacker conferences in that time, this one would be on the West Coast and open to everyone. Over the next three decades, DEF CON would become the preeminent hacker convention for the US (possibly the world), drawing upwards of 30,000 attendees. Along with its more-corporate spinoff Black Hat and related BSides conference, the back-to-back conferences are affectionately referred to as Hacker Summer Camp. In today's show, I'll walk down memory lane with Jeff, discussing the ups and downs he's experienced and delve into what this has all meant to him, personally. Oh yeah... and also the incident involving strippers and hacking the power grid.

Further Info

Amulet of Entropy badge: ​https://amuletofentropy.com/ DEF CON documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUhyeY0FsvwMy first trip to DEF CON: https://podcast.firewallsdontstopdragons.com/2021/08/11/understanding-hackers-hacking/ Last year’s interview with Jeff Moss: https://podcast.firewallsdontstopdragons.com/2021/08/16/on-a-dark-tangent/ Hackers, book by Steven Levy: https://www.amazon.com/Hackers-Computer-Revolution-Steven-Levy/dp/1449388396Legion of Doom (LOD) vs Masters of Deception (MOD): ​​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hacker_War SATAN tool: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Administrator_Tool_for_Analyzing_NetworksA brief history of hacking: https://encyclopedia.kaspersky.com/knowledge/a-brief-history-of-hacking/ Cap’N Crunch whistle: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2630646 Subscribe to the newsletter: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/newsletter/new-newsletter/Check out my book, Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1484261887 Become a Patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons Donate directly with Monero! https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/contact/ Would you like me to speak to your group about security and/privacy? http://bit.ly/Firewalls-SpeakerGenerate secure passphrases! https://d20key.com/#/

Table of Contents

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0:00:31: Hacker Summer Camp0:03:30: pre-interview things of note0:05:31: DEF CON, the early years0:12:02: How had DEF CON changed since the beginning?0:16:08: What's the closest DEF CON ever came to ending?0:24:44: Why is DEF CON so full of shennanigans?0:26:49: What has DEF CON meant to you, personally?0:32:02: Thoughts on the DEF CON culture0:37:13: What's your "Jeff sense" on choosing the best people?0:39:50: What's in the future for DEF CON?0:46:13: What speakers have you always wanted but couldn't get?0:51:04: learning more about hackers and hacking0:53:50: Where does "2600" come from?0:57:18: Important notes for new listeners