In this episode of The Resilience Lab, recorded live at the Workspaces Conference in Napa, Rex Miller sits down with Sara Escobar and Corrine Murray, co-authors of the new book Work Then Place: a bold reframing of how organizations should think about work, leadership, and the workplace.

With decades of experience spanning Hulu, Netflix, Riot Games, CBRE, WeWork, and American Express, Sara and Corrine bring rare, hard-earned insight into why so many workplace strategies fail…and what actually works.

This conversation goes beyond office design and hybrid policy debates to tackle the real issues holding organizations back:

• Why defining work must come before designing place
• How fear and outdated management models undermine performance
• Why behavior change, not buildings, is the hardest and most essential challenge
• What leaders and managers need to do differently to create resilient, high-performing teams
• How to operationalize purpose, measure real work, and adapt in constant change

If you’re a leader, manager, workplace strategist, HR professional, or anyone navigating the future of work, this episode offers practical insight, grounded frameworks, and a clear call to rethink how work actually gets done.

This isn’t about perks, ping-pong tables, or mandates.


It’s about making work suck less…on purpose.

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