The Open Nesters

[TESSA] Today we delve into the transformative journey of navigating midlife, relationships, and the complexities of self-discovery with the insightful Junie Moon. Together we explore the concept of being “open nesters” rather than empty nesters, shedding light on how this perspective opens doors to new experiences, deeper connections with family, and the excitement of re-entering the dating scene.

Meet June Moon.

Junie shares her vision of midlife as a reboot, a time to reflect on our identities after years of nurturing others. Through her personal anecdotes, she illustrates the emotional complexities associated with this stage of life, including the bittersweet experiences of grief and loss, as well as the exhilarating possibilities for renewal and reinvention. We discuss the importance of self-awareness and building healthy relationships, addressing the challenges that many face upon leaving traditional roles behind.

The episode invites listeners to discover their “love avatar,” a concept designed to help individuals understand their desires and navigate the often daunting world of dating. Junie recounts her own experiences with love, relationships, and the process of developing a deeper understanding of what truly makes her happy. The discussion extends to the dynamics of partnership as we age, reflecting on how our needs, desires, and definitions of love evolve over time.

Throughout the conversation, we unpack the concept of shadow work, a transformative practice that allows individuals to confront their fears and insecurities. Junie emphasizes the importance of being gentle with oneself during this process, encouraging listeners to acknowledge their emotions—be it grief, joy, or vulnerability—as part of the larger human experience. She offers practical insights on how to cultivate emotional strength and resilience in the face of life’s uncertainties.

The episode challenges cultural norms around relationships and encourages open dialogue about desires and preferences. As we navigate the complexities of dating, Junie reminds us to embrace authenticity and hold space for both our flaws and strengths. This journey towards self-discovery and love is not just about finding a partner but about understanding and healing oneself first.

Listeners leave this episode with a roadmap for their next chapter, inspired by Junie’s wisdom and guidance. The conversation elucidates the need to be kind to oneself while journeying through life’s transitions, underscoring the beauty that comes from embracing vulnerability and celebrating every emotional experience. Whether you are just starting to explore midlife or seeking to deepen your existing relationships, this episode serves as an essential guide to understanding the transformative power of love and self-acceptance.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

[TESSA] In this episode, we delve into the transformative journey of embracing life after children with Jason McGarva, a seasoned dating and confidence coach. As my partner and I step into our new roles as Open Nesters, we explore the concept of conscious dating and the potential for deeper connections during this stage of life. Jason shares his insights on how our past experiences shape our current relationships and how we can cultivate authentic confidence to navigate the dating world effectively.

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Jason discusses his unique approach to coaching, focusing on conscious communication and self-esteem. Drawing from his background, which includes influences from the pickup artist community, he emphasizes the importance of authenticity over tactics. We dive into the distinction between feeling one’s true value and resorting to tricks or strategies that may mask insecurities. Jason illustrates this point with personal anecdotes, recounting his own transformation from feeling socially awkward to confidently engaging in relationships.

The conversation shifts to the nuances of dating in our later years, particularly for women as they navigate a landscape where societal expectations often undervalue them. Jason expresses empathy towards their struggles and highlights the significance of developing a supportive network. We discuss the metaphor of a seesaw to explain relational dynamics, where the way we present ourselves can impact how we are perceived and valued in social contexts. The principles he outlines serve as a guide for those looking to improve their relational experiences—encouraging curiosity and openness while reducing the tendency to engage in negative self-talk.

Throughout the episode, we touch on common frustrations faced by individuals re-entering the dating scene. Jason provides actionable advice aimed at building genuine connections through improved social skills and emotional awareness. He encourages listeners to recognize their intrinsic worth, emphasizing that it is not only about finding a partner but also about creating richer, more satisfying experiences with those around us. By learning to communicate authentically and confidently, we open doors to better relationships not only with potential partners but also with ourselves and our families.

As we wind down the conversation, Jason shares his own story of vulnerability and growth, underscoring the importance of being authentic in romantic pursuits. His journey through personal challenges and eventual transformation highlights the deep connections that can form when we show our true selves. We conclude with a call to action, encouraging individuals to seek communities that foster growth and connection during these pivotal stages of life—further proving that life after kids can indeed be life wide open, filled with potential and enriching experiences.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

[TESSA] In this episode of the Open Nester Podcast, we engage with Kim DeYoung, a choice coach and author, who shares her insights on navigating life transitions in the open nester phase. As we explore the themes of vibrant health, relationships, and self-discovery, Kim illustrates how redefining our perspectives on aging can lead to a life full of possibilities. She emphasizes the transformation from being “empty nesters” to “open nesters,” highlighting a newfound freedom to seek new adventures and experiences as children leave home.

We delve into the concept of choice, focusing on Kim’s philosophy and methodologies surrounding decision-making. With her own rich life experiences as a newly remarried mother of three young adults, Kim has developed a unique framework that encourages individuals to become more intentional in their choices. She discusses her journey of writing “The Book of Choice,” which blossomed from her decade-long dedication to understanding how choices can shape our lives. The book offers practical tools, including a technique known as choice mapping, guiding readers to explore the depth of their decisions.

Through a thought-provoking conversation, we touch upon the nuances of fostering deeper relationships with family. Kim shares personal anecdotes about guiding her children through their own decision-making processes, emphasizing the importance of cultivating autonomy. This aspect of her coaching methodology taps into the innate courage required to embrace risk and lean into uncertainty, especially for those in the late 50s and 60s who are exploring new chapters in their lives.

We further reflect on the dynamics of modern parenting and intergenerational relationships; Kim offers guidance on allowing grown children to experience their choices without parental attachment to outcomes. The dialogue showcases the profound impact that curiosity and compassionate inquiry can have on our relationships, shifting the focus from control to understanding. Kim believes in the power of asking intentional questions to encourage her children and clients to unravel their desires and aspirations.

Throughout the episode, we tackle the complexities of risk and the idea of stepping into the unknown. Kim gives practical examples of how one can innovate their life path while grounding decisions in self-awareness and authentic values. Listeners are encouraged to take small yet significant steps toward realizing their passions, whether it’s dating after divorce or exploring new career options—a testament to the idea that life is about trial and error and continuous discovery.

To conclude our conversation, Kim invites everyone to connect with her through her vibrant presence on social media and to look out for her book, which serves as a comprehensive guide to navigating choices across various life stages. We hope this episode inspires you to embrace your open-nester journey with an open heart and a curious mind, reminding you that every choice holds the potential for remarkable growth and fulfillment.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

[TESSA] In this episode of the Open Nesters podcast, I welcome back Barbara Carrellas, a vital voice in the conversation surrounding sex, aging, and our evolving desires. Five years since her first appearance on the show, Barbara shares her insights on not merely accepting aging but embracing it with an open heart and mind, becoming what she terms “open nesters.” We explore how our relationships—be they with our children, parents, or romantic partners—can transcend traditional definitions, opening us up to new possibilities and experiences.

ECSTASY and Riding Your Horse

Barbara reflects on the intersection of sexuality and aging, leaning into her expertise in Urban Tantra, a practice that integrates sexuality with a broader understanding of intimacy and connection. She emphasizes the importance of transition, inviting listeners to consider the shifts our bodies undergo as we age and the joy that can still be found amid these changes. Through her teachings, she encourages radical acceptance, asking us to look past perceived limitations and embrace the opportunities that come with aging, whether that’s in our professional lives or our personal relationships.

A significant part of our discussion centers on Barbara’s new book, “The Book of Ecstasy,” where she expands upon themes from her previous work, “Ecstasy Is Necessary.” This new installment delves into how pleasure is experienced differently throughout life and how these changes can open doors to new sources of joy and ecstasy. It’s not only about maintaining a connection to our past desires but also about finding new ways to experience pleasure—what Barbara refers to as the “learning radical acceptance.”

During our conversation, Barbara shares poignant personal stories, like her unexpected journey into horseback riding during the pandemic, which reminded her of the importance of pursuing childhood dreams. This narrative serves as a reminder that the things we once set aside can re-emerge in our lives in meaningful ways, fostering a sense of joy and excitement despite the physical challenges we may encounter.

We touch on how the concept of ecstasy is not solely linked to pleasure but is also about being open to the paradoxes in life—the joy interwoven with grief, the light with the dark. Through Tantra, Barbara illustrates that ecstatic experiences can arise even from sorrow and loss, redefining our relationship with our emotions and experiences. We acknowledge how vital community support is, particularly in instances of health challenges, and how social media can provide a platform for shared experiences and encouragement.

Finally, we discuss the nuances of ‘ecstasy drop’—the emotional downturn that can follow intense ecstatic experiences—and how to navigate this often-overlooked aspect of our emotional journeys. Barbara’s insights help illuminate paths for listeners who may feel overwhelmed by the highs and lows of life, encouraging them to seek support and connection.

Through this enlightening dialogue, Barbara Carrellas provides listeners with ample permission to explore new aspects of intimacy, pleasure, and joy as they navigate the stages of their lives. She encourages us all to keep our hearts open and to trust that new and fulfilling paths await, supported by community and understanding.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

[TESSA] In this enlightening episode, we dive deep into the evolving conversations surrounding sex, aging, and the open nest lifestyle with Suzanne Noble, a trailblazer in advocating for older adults embracing their sexuality. As a returning guest, Suzanne shares her journey since our last chat, discussing how her experiences have shaped her understanding of intimacy in later life. We explore the idea of being “open nesters” and how it reflects a new chapter filled with opportunities for growth, connection, and reinforced relationships with partners and family.

SEX AFTER 50

Suzanne recounts the inception of her podcast, born out of her open relationship and a desire to discuss sex among older individuals. Following the release of the film “Good Luck to You, Leo Grande,” which centers around a 61-year-old woman’s journey to sexual fulfillment, Suzanne found herself thrust into the spotlight as a relatable voice for women discussing sex and aging. This episode chronicles her evolution as a content creator, detailing how she transitioned from starting this project with a partner to eventually providing insights and reflections independently, underscoring her status as a vital resource in the realm of sexual health for older adults.

We delve into the often stigmatized subjects of erectile dysfunction and vaginal atrophy, with Suzanne sharing that these issues affect roughly 50% of individuals over 50. Reflecting on her personal experiences and those of her guests, she emphasizes the importance of open conversations surrounding these challenges. This dialogue highlights the lack of medical support and resources available to older adults, urging the need for healthcare providers to prioritize discussions about intimate health and pleasure as people age.

Throughout the episode, we explore the notion of redefining pleasure beyond traditional paradigms, encouraging listeners to embrace a broader understanding of sexual intimacy that isn’t solely orgasm-centered. The discussion shifts towards the importance of maintaining curiosity and communication within intimate relationships, emphasizing how these elements can enhance sexual experiences as people navigate changes in their desires and bodies.

As the conversation flows, Suzanne shares her insights on mens’ roles in these conversations, particularly around penile health, while shedding light on tools like penis pumps and cock rings. We also touch on the importance of body confidence as we age, reflecting on communal spaces, such as nudist retreats, that celebrate diverse bodies and foster acceptance. This acceptance, Suzanne demonstrates, can empower individuals to express their needs and desires boldly, a pivotal aspect of healthy, fulfilling relationships.

The episode concludes with reflections on the power of identity transformation in the later stages of life. Suzanne discusses her current casual relationship, emphasizing how this stage is about enjoying shared experiences and prioritizing pleasure in new and enlightening ways. This openness and self-acceptance, she argues, are essential for anyone navigating the complexities of intimacy in their golden years.

With her enthusiastic and candid approach, Suzanne Noble provides inspiration for those in the open nest stage of life to reclaim their narratives around sexuality and aging, encouraging them to engage in meaningful conversations and experiences without shame. Tune in to discover how embracing curiosity, compassion, and courage can transform the landscape of intimacy for older adults.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

THE PATH

[TESSA] As we navigate the season of “Love Month” here at the Open Nesters, I find myself reflecting deeply on what it means to truly inhabit our bodies and our relationships as we age. I recently had the pleasure of sitting down with Maria Merloni, a therapist and sex and relationship coach who is redefining what it looks like to turn sixty with vitality, grace, and an open heart. Maria’s journey is a powerful reminder that our “second act” in love can often be more profound and fulfilling than our first, provided we are willing to do the cellular work required to heal and grow.

BACK TO PLEASURE AND TRUST

One of the most striking parts of our conversation was Maria’s transparency about her own path to finding a healthy partnership. After a first marriage and a cycle of dating men with unhealed addictions, she realized she wasn’t “bad at picking men”—she was actually picking the exact right people to point her toward her own unhealed childhood trauma. By engaging in deep, somatic therapy, she broke that cycle and eventually met her husband, Paul, at a Tantra gathering. Her story beautifully illustrates that when we heal our internal landscape, the external world—and the partners we attract—changes to meet us.

Maria and Paul’s relationship is a masterclass in intentionality. They don’t just “exist” together; they celebrate what they call a “Relationship Party” every week. While many couples only discuss the logistics of finances or children, Maria and Paul use this time to check in on their spiritual development, their health goals, and how they are feeling within the relationship itself. It turns the implicit into the explicit, ensuring that no resentment builds and that both partners feel seen and cherished. It’s a practice I believe every Open Nestor could benefit from as we redefine our lives after the kids have flown the nest.

Beyond the home, Maria and Paul have embraced the freedom of the Open Nest by becoming “home exchangers,” traveling the world from Bali to Hawaii while working virtually. This sense of adventure isn’t just about the stamps in a passport; it’s about a lifestyle of “life wide open.” They’ve turned their home into a sanctuary for the community, hosting non-sexual “cuddle parties” to address the touch-deprivation so common in our modern, tech-heavy world. This commitment to service and connection is a beautiful example of how we can use our wisdom years to foster community and healing for others.

We also dove into the vital topic of embodiment and “Yoni Massage,” a practice Maria teaches to help women reconnect with their bodies. For many of us, aging can bring physical changes—menopause, dryness, or a sense of disconnection—that make us feel less “sensual.” Maria reclaims this not just as a sexual act, but as a spiritual and healing practice. She explained how “stuck energy” from past traumas can live in our tissues, and how gentle, intentional massage can release that energy, balance hormones naturally, and open up new pathways for pleasure that many women never even knew were possible.

It was refreshing to hear Maria debunk the “malarkey” of the patriarchy regarding women’s sexual potential. She reminded me that our power is often tied to our sexual functioning and our ability to feel pleasure, yet we have been conditioned to feel shame or believe we have limitations. Whether it’s exploring the lost art of the “sacred spot” or simply learning to love our bodies as they are today, the journey toward sexual empowerment doesn’t have an expiration date. At 64, I find myself constantly learning new ways to appreciate my own “juiciness” and presence, and Maria’s work is a guiding light for that exploration.

We closed our talk with a beautiful sentiment from her husband, Paul: the intention to “make every moment sacred.” Despite the very real hardships life has thrown their way—including the loss of a child and family health struggles—they choose to remain present. Using techniques from Tantra, they focus on the “now,” whether that’s the color of the morning sky or the sensation of breath. As Open Nesters, we have the choice to stay stuck in the grief of the “empty” nest or to awaken to the divinity in every moment. I am choosing the latter, and I hope Maria’s wisdom inspires you to do the same.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

WILD MONOGAMY

To understand the concept of “Wild Monogamy,” one must first look at the traditional framework of the relationship. Monogamy is most commonly defined as a form of relationship where an individual has only one partner at a time, often characterized by emotional and sexual exclusivity. While this is the bedrock for many couples, the routine of long-term partnership can sometimes lead to a “tame” or predictable dynamic. This is exactly where guests Mali and Joe, featured on The Open Nesters podcast, suggest we start shaking things up to rediscover the electricity of the early days.

We explore the idea that staying committed to one person doesn’t have to mean sacrificing passion or adventure. Mali and Joe, authors of The Soulmate Experience, share their journey of nearly two decades, proving that erotic connection can actually intensify over time. Their philosophy centers on the idea that monogamy isn’t a restrictive cage, but rather a safe container within which partners can be as “wild” and expressive as they choose to be.

One of the most moving stories shared in the episode involves the struggle with aging bodies—a common hurdle for “open nesters” over 60. Mali describes the vulnerability of dealing with a sagging or changing physique, only for her partner Joe to respond by photographing her from every angle. By seeing her body through his eyes—as a work of art, wet and dry, inside and out—she was able to shed her insecurities. This “wild” act of radical acceptance is a core pillar of their message: intimacy thrives when we stop hiding and start showing up fully.

The episode explains that “Wild Monogamy” is about cultivating erotic intimacy to keep desire alive without necessarily looking outside the relationship. It’s the “monogamous” version of a play party—where you might go to a spicy event but choose to only play with your partner. By bringing that level of intentionality, fantasy, and novelty back into the bedroom, couples can bypass the boredom that often plagues long-term unions.

Mali and Joe emphasize that this doesn’t happen by accident. It requires a continuous conversation about love, sex, and connection. They’ve dedicated their lives to coaching couples on how to move past the jealousy, inhibition, and shame that often tangle up our sexuality. For them, “wildness” is a practice of being present and adventurous within the safety of your primary bond, ensuring that the “magical feeling” of dating never truly ends.

For those in the “Act III” of their lives—the empty nesters—this message is particularly resonant. Tessa and Amir highlight that this stage of life is an opportunity for a “new nesting” experience. It’s a time to ask what you need to open up in your life, your body, and your spirit. Whether it’s through body movement, sensory exploration, or deepening your erotic connection, the goal is to live with an open heart and a sense of play.

Ultimately, “Wild Monogamy” serves as a reminder that your primary relationship can be the greatest adventure of your life. By choosing to be “wild” with one another, couples can transform a decades-old partnership into a vibrant, ever-evolving romance. If you’re looking to reignite that spark and move beyond the “empty” in empty nesting, this episode offers a roadmap for keeping the fire burning bright through every season of life.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

Radical Honesty (and the Many Kinds of Love)

In this episode of The Open Nesters, we dive into the transformative journey of Jesse Poppick, a guest who brings a wealth of insights about love, relationships, and navigating life as an open nester. With his unique experiences, Jesse shares how his perspective on relationships has evolved, particularly through his transitions after two divorces and his experience as a father to three daughters. We explore concepts such as radical honesty and non-monogamy as he reflects on how these themes have informed his life choices and relationship dynamics.

As our conversation unfolds, Jesse discusses his journey to embracing the open nester lifestyle, which he describes as facing new adventures rather than feeling the void of an empty nest. We emphasize that this stage of life allows for deeper exploration of personal identity, relationships, and experiences. His candid recount of a conversation with his youngest daughter reveals the profound shifts that have occurred as their family structure changes. What began as a necessary adjustment for their circumstances evolved into a broader understanding of freedom, support, and connection, prompting Jesse to reassess his role as a father and an individual.

We dive deeper into Jesse’s relational intelligence, which has transformed through his exploration of non-monogamy and the concept of polyamory. He details his experiences in these realms, emphasizing that non-monogamous relationships aren’t just about sexual freedom but also about the capacity to love and connect with multiple partners in diverse ways. Jesse articulates a distinction between non-monogamy, which often entails sexual relationships, and polyamory, which focuses on loving connections without a sexual component. This insight prompts a broader discussion about the rich, fluid nature of love and the importance of understanding our desires and boundaries within these structures.

Throughout the episode, we explore Jesse’s six principles of sexual health and how these guidelines can foster better communication and ultimately healthier relationships. Consent, non-exploitation, honesty, shared values, protection, and pleasure serve as essential pillars for navigating the complexities of intimacy. Jesse introduces the RBDSM-T framework, urging listeners to bring explicit conversations to dating and relationships. He highlights that understanding the meanings behind our interactions, setting clear boundaries, and addressing past traumas are crucial for nurturing connections—even in long-term relationships.

As the discussion progresses, Jesse shares poignant reflections about his estranged relationships with his older daughters and how the principles of radical honesty and patience have played a pivotal role in rebuilding those connections. He emphasizes the importance of creating space for his children to engage with him on their terms, acknowledging the challenges and emotional weight involved in such situations.

Listeners seeking guidance or inspiration are encouraged to connect with Jesse through his website, where he offers workshops and resources aimed at enhancing sexual health and communication in relationships. He also shares his upcoming appearances at festivals, demonstrating his commitment to spreading awareness about the complexities of modern relationships, the importance of emotional intelligence, and fostering a deeper understanding of love.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

Finding Flow with Laura Silverstein

Welcome back, fellow Open Nesters! In honor of Love Month, we recently had the absolute pleasure of hosting Laura Silverstein, author of Love is an Action Verb, for a deeply resonant encore discussion about finding more flow and connection in our relationships. As we navigate this “open nest” phase—a term we prefer over “empty nest” to reflect hearts and lives open to endless possibilities—having an expert like Laura, who is both a Gottman-trained therapist and a fellow traveler in this mid-life transition, felt like a true gift. At 53, Laura is right there with us, balancing a twenty-year marriage and the bittersweet transition of her own children heading off to college

One of the most profound takeaways from our conversation was Laura’s perspective on secure attachment and how we model it for our children, even as they become adults. She described secure attachment as the “net underneath them,” providing a sanctuary of comfort and trust so they know they are never alone in the world. For those of us struggling with the quiet of the house, Laura offered a beautiful reminder: we must provide reassurance of unconditional love, regardless of our children’s successes or failures. It is about “being with the moment” and accepting our role as a steady presence in their lives, even as they build their own worlds.

We also dove deep into the mechanics of long-term partnership, particularly the Gottman concept of “bids for attention”. Laura calls these “micro-bursts of connection”—tiny actions like a winky-face text or a hug that lasts longer than twenty seconds to release oxytocin. These small gestures are the currency of love, and they don’t take much time, yet they set a precedent of warmth in a relationship. After the kids leave, it is vital to redirect that energy we once gave to our children back toward each other, actively cherishing the love we have built.

The part of the interview that truly stayed with me—and that my co-host Amir and I are still digesting—is the idea that most conflict stems from a dream that is not being actualized. Laura explained that ongoing, distressing conflicts are often about a deep purpose or desire that is being suppressed. She shared a powerful “Dream Catcher” exercise where one partner acts as the dreamer and the other listens with deep curiosity, asking questions about the “why” and the “excitement” behind the dream rather than focusing on the logistics or the “how”. This shift from “stop doing this” to “this is why I need this for my soul” changes the entire landscape of compromise.

We also touched on the importance of transparency and honesty regarding our individual core needs versus our areas of flexibility. Laura noted that when we give up a core need, we are essentially giving up our “bones and body,” moving out of integrity with ourselves. However, when we understand our partner’s ultimate dreams, we find the motivation to be flexible in other areas—like my recent month-long solo trip to the ocean, a gift of “compersion” from my husband that brought renewed love and patience back into our primary partnership.

As we wrapped up, Laura reminded us that the heart is a muscle that requires proactive exercise. Whether it is practicing “extreme gratitude” or engaging in “skydiving listening,” the goal is to expand our capacity for love through consistent, intentional action. I encourage you to check out Laura’s website, LauraSilverstein.com, or follow her “Laura’s Love Advice” on social media for more pragmatic tips on comforting those in pain and building inclusive, communicative relationships.

In the interview, Laura Silverstein describes a Gottman Institute exercise where one partner acts as the “dreamer” and the other as the “dream catcher”. The goal of the dream catcher is to use deep, probing curiosity to understand the meaning behind a partner’s desires rather than focusing on the logistics of how to achieve them.

The dream catcher’s job is to listen intently and ask open-ended, non-leading questions. They must avoid “yes or no” questions or practical concerns, such as “How are we going to afford this?”

Laura highlighted several specific questions a partner can ask to uncover the “dream within a conflict”

What is frightening for you about this?

What is exciting for you about this?

Why is this so important to you?

What would it look like if this dream were actually actualized?

How would you feel if this dream came true?

What would you be doing in this best-case scenario?

By asking these questions, the listener helps their partner expand on their vision. This allows the couple to identify core needs—things that are essential to a person’s integrity or “soul”—and separate them from areas of flexibility, where compromise is possible once the underlying dream is understood.

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

Please email Tessa to make a connection. And visit her page here on the Open Nesters Website. If you like, please answer the question:

What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…

Trading “Empty” for “Open”: The Courage to Speak Up

Welcome back to the Open Nesters podcast, where we are flipping the script on aging and trading an “empty” nest for a life wide open. This month, we have been diving deep into the theme of courage, and I can’t think of a more vital conversation than the one I recently had with Ukumbwa Sauti. Ukumbwa is a consultant, educator, and a leader in men’s work who is helping us look at the “third act” of our lives through a lens of awareness and radical compassion.

The “genesis moment” for Ukumbwa’s lifelong mission happened decades ago when he realized that nearly every woman he knew had experienced some form of sexual assault or harassment. This shocking realization led him to dedicate his life to education and media literacy, focusing on how we define “normal” behavior. In our interview, he shared a powerful story from his days teaching higher education where a simple question about consent was met with a long, chilling silence. It’s a stark reminder that we are still pushing a boulder uphill when it comes to understanding boundaries.

One of the most profound concepts Ukumbwa introduced is “radical compassion”—the ability to respect the experiences of people we don’t even know. For men in the open nesting stage, this means moving beyond the excuse of “I didn’t know”. It’s about being willing to hold up a mirror to our own behaviors and the systems of patriarchy that have affected us all. As Ukumbwa noted, many women our age have reached a breaking point because their partners refused to grow and evolve alongside them.

This lack of growth is a major contributor to the rising rates of “grey divorce”. It is a staggering reality that 40% of divorces now occur among those over 50, with women initiating two-thirds of these splits. Women are often simply “fed up” with partners who remain stagnant or dismissive of their need for equality and respect. Embracing open nesting means being brave enough to address these intimacy gaps and do the internal, spiritual, and emotional work required to sustain a healthy partnership.

For the men listening, Ukumbwa’s message is clear: learn to listen. Whether it’s through joining a men’s group, reading works by authors like bell hooks, or simply engaging in open, heart-centered conversations with friends, the tools for growth are available. He shared a beautiful story of his own men’s group providing him with caretaking and “manicures in bed” during a hospital stay, proving that masculinity can include tenderness and mutual support.

As we move into February and focus on love and relationships, I challenge you to consider your own legacy. What kind of role model are you for your adult children and grandchildren? True courage is not just about big adventures; it’s about the willingness to be conscious, to admit when we are wrong, and to speak up for equality. Let’s keep opening doors to better relationships and endless possibilities

Educator, Presenter, Facilitator – Cultural Media Studies; Counselor,initiated Dagara Elder

Greetings! I’ve been involved in a dynamic and deepening process born out of many aspects of my professional, creative and spiritual work over many years. My company, moja mediaworks llc, has been developing the World Ancestor Concert, a 3-day televised healing concert celebrating the world’s Ancestors and traditions with a rich mix of conscious and progressive music, traditional music, activists, organizations and more. We are currently looking for sponsors and strategic partnerships to stage our main annual concert events and ongoing smaller, localized Village Concerts. We will also be developing workshops and events for colleges and their surrounding communities.

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Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

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What do you need to OPEN your NEST? In your LIFE. In your BODY. In your SPIRIT. Do you need MORE…