Ben Tillyer, Head of Digital Accessibility at Oxford, talks with Jessica about WCAG’s limits, the messy ethics of unpaid testing by disabled staff, and whether AI could ever help fix it. 

From alt text to overlays to Oxford’s own machine learning research, this episode pulls no punches—and yes, there’s a cat.

Welcome to The Outer Circle—a podcast about digital accessibility: what it is, why it matters, and the people working to make the web a better place for everyone.

I’m Jessica Chambers, Accessibility Evangelist at Silktide. In each episode, I sit down with someone in the field to talk about their experiences, insights, and the real-world challenges they face.

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