The Outer Realm NFT Podcast

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The Outer Realm NFT Podcast episodes

July 12, 2021J.J. Weinberg on Art School, His Startup Artunity, and the Nonphysical Wrestling Federation
Since the age of 10, J.J Weinberg knew what he wanted to do. Exactly what he wanted to do. He told his mom that he was going to go to the American Academy of Art. Soon after, he won his first art competition, painting a “Just Say No” poster.
That’s how his journey began.
J.J. always had entrepreneurial aspirations. When he was 13, he bought 20 copies of “Spawn #1” dreaming that someday, he’d open a comic book shop.
He’s still working on it. But he enrolled in the Academy of Art thinking he’d become a comic book artist, studying under the iconic Alex Ross. There, the tutelage of Dr. Trapp helped J.J. develop his own unique style.
J.J. has accomplished a lot since college.
His painting “Midas’ Love - The Gold Kisser” won the Grand Prize award at the 2015 Pop-Up Art Festival, he was nominated for the Kennedy Artist Fellows Award in 2016, and his startup Artunity won the People’s Choice Award for the Startup of the Year in 2019.
Listen as we discuss his story in our 2-hour-long conversation.
Key points discussed
What would 9-year-old J.J. think of himself today (01:40)

American Academy of Arts, Alex Ross, and learning how to trace (02:55)

Authenticity, originality in the NFT space, and working with LAmour Supreme (11:22)

Clubhouse, fake experts in the space, and importance of having a story (18:21)

J.J. doing a Cubs painting for his father that went viral (21:40)

Bike ride e from Chicago to Washington, charisma , choosing to be an extrovert (27:17)

J.J.’s relationship with his father, Cubs World Series, Anthony Rizzo painting (35:28)

Jupiter Effect, meeting Gary Vee, the early NFT space (45:24)

What is Artunity, raising $100,000, digital meets magical (01:00:00)

Onboarding people into NFT space and Nonphysical Wrestling Federation (01:13:11)

Dave Weinberg, CM Crypto Punk, Million Dollar Dogecoin Man (01:20:34)

Making fun of NFTs, conscious evolution, Startup of the Year 2019 (01:26:38)

How to pitch your idea, Tom Ricketts, listening to Ron Santos (01:35:05)

Bootstrapping and reinvesting the money you made from your art (01:46:13)

Closing thoughts (01:52:13)
Additional Resources
You can reach out to J.J. via email. Check out his artwork on his website and OpenSea. See his videos on his YouTube channel. Follow him on Instagram, Twitter and LinkedIn.
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1 hr 57 min
July 05, 2021Hosting a NFT Podcast, Teaching Math, and Being a Crypto Artist With Darren Kleine
Darren Kleine began exploring the Blockchain some five years ago. Initially, he was making some extra cash as a ghostwriter for various marketing companies. He eventually wound up on Cointelegraph, working as a freelance writer.
Through Cointelegraph, Darren met several figures that introduced him to the world of crypto art. It didn’t take long for him to try his hand at it.
As DKleine he posts his work on SHOWTIME, KnownOrigin, and Hic Et Nunc. He’s mainly known for his zombie art. Political zombies. Crypto zombies. Pokémon zombies.
You name it, Darren has done it.
He also hosts the NFP With DKleine podcast, where he interviews crypto artists and investors. If I remember correctly, I was one of his first guests.
So much so that the guest appearance motivated me to start the podcast you’re listening to today.
Key points discussed
What would Darren at the age 11 think of himself today (01:55)

Zombies, comic books, and writing in high school (05:56)

Transition from teaching art to artist and being a math teacher (09:34)

Getting into crypto art, podcasting, and the remixing “Bitcoin Bitch” (14:25)

Washington Post on NFTs, NFT journalism, and podcasting vs. doing art (21:21)

Playing poker, doing math, and ROI collectors in the NFT space (28:32)

Digital abstract art and being known for a specific style (35:43)

Card games, predicting the success of crypto, and learning the blockchain (43:03)

The Guild, connecting emotionally with artists, and writing process (51:06)

Twitter arguments, mental problems, and being a dog owner (58:05)

Doing art every day, creating NFTs, and importance of buying art (01:07:29)

Pricing art in crypto and minting on Flowchain/Waxchain (01:15:06)

Charged Particles and NFT in 10 years (01:30:22)

Interviewing people in crypto art, Gary Vee, and art criticism (01:39:20)

Celebrities in the NFT space, free market, and becoming an investor (01:46:07)

Separating art from the artists, podcast monetization, and writing quickly (01:54:33)

Planning your work, being spontaneous, and Darren’s art process (02:02:33)

Coping mechanisms, job security, and doing crypto art for a living (02:09:35)

Advertising for an art audience, picking guests, and trolling Disney (02:20:28)

Investing in meme coins, improving Ethereum, and retirement plans (02:32:15)

Closing thoughts (02:41:20)
Additional Resources
Follow Darren on Twitter and Instagram. See his art on OpenSea, Rarible, and Foundation. Subscribe to his podcast on Spotify.
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2 hr 45 min
June 28, 2021Ben Horning on Co-Funding BB Studios, Bar Spot Startup, and the Harmony and Discord Project
Ben Horning is a computer scientist, entrepreneur, and NFT enthusiast. He’s the co-founder of BB Studios, an NFT art guild that promotes a wide range of different crypto artists and provides Web3 services to users.
Now, it’s worth pointing out that from the get-go, Ben was looking for ways to monetize his efforts in the NFT space. Ben is a businessperson, after all.
He’s pretty transparent about it. However, one thing that sets him apart from your average investor is that he’s also looking to help as many artists as possible along the way.
His motto is “artists and styles first.”
In less than a year, Ben and his team were able to create an active community that promotes new crypto artists, previews their work in the BB Studio Decentraland gallery, and
They’ve also collaborated with more than 40 artists on projects like Crybecats, Cyberdogs, Heroes and Villains, and Life’s Fire, Death’s Ice. BB Studios also owns some of the finest AR locations out there, which you can see on their website.
Listen as Ben and I discuss his perspective on money as a teen, his failed startup venture, as well as his Harmony and Discord project he’s been working on.
Key points discussed
What would 12-year-old Ben Horning think of himself today (02:03)

Materialism, owning things vs. having experiences, and collecting (04:57)

Ben’s life before NFTs and his failed startup Bar Spot (07:47)

Learning from mistakes, bootstrapping, and celebrity investments (15:40)

Why it’s so hard to stay up-to-date in the NFT space (21:27)

Bitcoin becoming a corporate asset, Dogecoin, and investing in yourself (26:17)

How Ben met Big Daddy, building NFT galleries, and future of VR (32:12)

What’s going on with BB Studios and his Harmony and Discord project (39:29)

Early investments in Tezos, Ethereum gas fees, and NFT side-chains (45:47)

Eric being responsible for the NFT bubble not popping harder (53:36)

What’s the BB Studios Guild and what their projects are (57:31)

Gamifying the NFT space and microeconomics (01:05:54)

The Heroes vs. Villains project, Tesla vs. Edison, and marketing (01:09:41)

Having a former Simpsons artist update the BB Studios website (01:13:40)

Urge to create art, NFT monetization, and BB Studios’ Artist Hour (01:16:06)

Celebrities buying NFTs, collecting, and remixing CryptoPunks (01:23:23)

Future of BB Studios, curating Twitter and combining digital with physical (01:27:55)

What’s Ben focusing on with the Artist Hour (01:32:47)
Additional Resources
You can get in touch with Ben Horning through email. Make sure to visit the new BB Studios website. To stay updated on all things BB Studio, follow them on Twitter.
If you want to stay in the loop and learn about exciting NFT artists, make sure to follow The Outer Realm on your favorite podcast app. Do you like our talks? Leave a rating and a review!
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1 hr 40 min
June 21, 2021Judy Lindsay on NFT Photography, Mental Health, and Bringing Music into NFT Space
GIFs. Poems. Tweets. Burnt Banksy prints. Anything can be turned into an NFT. The NFT space has helped traditional artists crossover into the digital world and make millions. However, one group of artists is still lagging: photographers.
But artists like Judy Lindsey are making an effort to change all of that.
Looking at it from a commercial perspective, NFT and photography are a match made in heaven. For years, digital photographers have had difficulties selling their work due to the number of photographers and protecting their intellectual rights.
NFTs can solve all of these problems. They provide a perfect opportunity for photographers to make a hefty sum just from selling a single photo. Just ask Kate Woodman, who recently sold her “Always Coca Cola” image for more than $20,000.
A photographer like Judy can now make a comfortable living selling minted photos.
Of course, that’s not the only thing about. Judy has struggled with mental issues all of her life, so the pandemic was especially rough on her. But NFTs kept her going.
Judy and I talk about how art has saved our lives, her love for horses, her radio career, how she helped her brother transition into the NFT space, and everything in between.
Key points discussed
Introduction (00:00)

How the NFT photography community started (01:53)

Judy’s mindset of loving-kindness, her soulmate horse, and mental health (08:16)

Who was Judy at 12 years old, artistic upbringing, and living with anxiety (19:37)

How anxiety affects Judy’s art, working with BLM, and receiving death threats (28:57)

Art education, being a gifted child, and helping her brother transition into NFT (34:08)

Judy’s radio show, Spotify playlists, and bringing music into the NFT space (43:39)

Foundation fee, the flexibility of Open Sea, and BLVD ST (49:23)
Additional Resources
If you want to stay updated on Judy’s work, you can follow her on Twitter. You can also follow the NFT Photo Art as well. To see her work, check her out on Open Sea and Foundation. Last but not least, check out Judy’s radio show on KBCS 91.3.
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56 min
June 14, 2021Rob Prior on NFTs, Working With DC and Marvel and Doing Shows With Tech N9ne
Rob Prior is an extremely versatile artist. He’s an illustrator, screenwriter, director, and storyboard artist, among many other things. His career spans over three decades in comics, television, film, and gaming.
Should I go through his resume? Fine, if you insist.
In the comic book industry, Rob has worked with all of the heavy-hitters: Marvel, D.C., Image Comics, and Todd McFarlane, among others. In TV and Film, his most notable works include Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Terminator, Deep Space 9, and Game of Thrones.
And let’s not forget about his work in the gaming industry, Titleist and 2K. As an illustrator, his work can be seen on many tabletop adventures, including Dungeons and Dragons, Wizards of the Coasts, Battle Lords of the 23rd Century, and many others.
Yes, Rob has a ton of nerd cred; however, that’s not what most people know him for.
He’s mainly known for live paintings. Rob has been a staple of the Comic-Con scene for years. It’s easy to find Rob at a convention. Just look for a large crowd of people watching a man in trans, painting with both hands - sometimes with his eyes closed.
The two of us discuss how Rob started his career at a very young age, how it is to paint with two hands, live shows with Tech N9ne, and of course, the NFT space.
Key points discussed
Introduction (00:00)

What would 8-year-old Rob think about himself today (01:15)

Art training at an early age and working professionally at the age of 13 (04:32)

Value of college, networking, and doing short films with his son (08:52)

Learning through failure and the culture of success (14:50)

Being ambidextrous, working on stage, and painting with eyes closed (17:40)

The role pop culture plays in Rob’s work and his favorite thing to paint (24:30)

Working with Tech N9ne on stage and videos for A Day to Remember (26:48)

Giant Britney Spears mural working on Dungeons and Dragons, and directing (31:21)

Constantly learning, writer’s block, and working on five things simultaneously (34:53)

Working in the NFT space, copyright and IP, and proof of origin (36:41)

Understanding NFTs, experimenting, and being labeled as a performance artist (41:47)

Painting with loud music, having apprentices, and (45:47)
Additional Resources
To contact Rob Prior, you can shoot him an email. If you want to follow him, make sure to visit his official website. Don’t forget to follow him on Instagram and Twitter.
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51 min
June 07, 2021Peter Bowles on the Foundation of NFT Arts, His PR Career, and AR/VR in Crypto
Peter Bowles is a seasoned PR specialist, an early adopter of online marketing, a pioneer of viral marketing, and the founder of NFT Arts.
From setting up an account for the youngest blogger in the world to creating a Bitcoin college foundation for a baby, Peter Bowles is known for his PR stunts. He was one of the early adopters of online marketing and he managed to create several viral campaigns, beginning in the early-2000s.
Peter likes to be early on stuff, so it’s no wonder that he already dipped his toes into the ocean that’s crypto art.
While most people would just open a crypto exchange, Peter’s plans are much more ambitious. He wants to open a gallery. An NFT gallery. One that would show the people what NFTs are. A platform that would allow Joe Average to dive into the world of crypto art.
Peter is currently building a VR gallery, but they also have a plan of opening a physical gallery. Join us, as we discuss the early days of the Internet, the importance of mental health, and his experience with the Woz and the RZA of the Wu-Tang Clan.
Key points discussed
Introduction (00:00)

What’s NFT Arts, how it works, and museum experiences (02:01)

How NFT Arts bridges the gap between crypto and traditional gallery models (09:15)

Peter’s upbringing and who he was at 20 years old (15:22)

PR work in the last two decades, Kickstarter campaigns, and bootstrapping (22:53)

Why Peter took a 6-month absence, mental health, and Steve Wozniak story (31:31)

What’s Peter’s ultimate goal with the NFT Arts gallery (38:55)

The NFT community, minting podcasts, and meeting NFT artists in person (45:08)

Being in touch with the Woz and the RZA from the Wu-Tang Clan (52:27)

What kind of art is featured on NFT Arts and gallery tour guides (58:51)

AR, VR, and the experiential aspect of NFT art (01:05:41)

Verification in crypto art, secret NFTs, and sharing the creative process (01:11:52)
Additional Resources
Reach out to Peter through email. Follow Peter on Twitter and make sure to follow the NFT Arts account as well. To stay updated on all things NFT Arts bookmark their official website.
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1 hr 19 min
May 31, 2021Ben Haley on Queer Crypto Art, Parasocial Relationships, and True Value of Craft Arts
Ben Haley is a unique crypto artist that combines sculpture, performance, and digital art to create really charming creations.
Ben was born in Sunderland and their upbringing mainly focused on finding traditional employment, despite their artistic nature. You can see a lot of their early life in their work today. Especially in performances, which analyze economics and entrepreneurship.
They’ve performed at institutions such as Cobalt Studios and Bowes Museum as Miss Penny Press. Recently, Ben’s been using the Ethereum Blockchain to produce provably-rare crypto art. Their art has been exhibited at the Nifty Pride Foundation.
If you know anything about Ben, you probably know that you’ll never get a linear conversation out of them. But that’s a part of their charm.
Ben’s talking about the Craft & Crypto Art initiative they’ve been working on alongside Jen’s a Little Loopy and Noviol that encourages craft artists to get into crypto art.
Find out all about it and a lot more in our hour-and-a-half-long interview.
Key points discussed
Introduction (00:00)

What was Ben Haley like when he was 8 years old (02:35)

Being a natural introvert and high school years (05:35)

Ben’s early online problems, parasocial interactions, and Toby Fox story (09:26)

How did Ben became interested in parasocial relationships and doing research (15:59)

Play-to-Earn, Robert Hoogendoorn, and the NFT space feeling cult-ish (20:42)

Three things Ben desperately wants to talk about (25:45)

Craft & Crypto Art and what CreateBase is (27:06)

Ben’s art process, how he sculpts his pieces, and Anish Kapoor vs. Stuart Semple (32:15)

The influence minority cultures in the United States (40:25)

Accessibility on the Internet and how the crypto world isn’t accessible enough (44:10)

Protecting the vulnerable in the crypto community, trigger warnings, and cancel culture (54:12)

Sex workers in the NFT space and why their art doesn’t sell (01:00:37)

The state of the crypto art market in terms of collectors and platforms (01:06:35)

Craft & Crypto Art, true value of craft arts, and disrespect of fiber art (01:15:09)

RuPaul’s Drag Race, Stonewall riots, and learning about Queer history (01:21:03)

Our responsibilities, how the government handles epidemics, and Eric’s uncle (01:27:02)
Additional Resources
You can contact Ben Haley directly via email. If you want to stay updated on their work, you can follow them on Twitter. And make sure to check out their art on Open Sea.
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1 hr 36 min
May 24, 2021 Reviiser on Blue Collar Jobs, Temporary Paintings, and the Trash Art Movement
Dave Estes, also known as Reviiser is a musician, illustrator, and crypto artist.
At an early age, Dave had artistic ambitions. He went to an art college, but he dropped out before graduating. After spending a few years working as a lineman – one of the top 10 most dangerous jobs in America – and doing art on the side, he decided it was time for a change.
That’s when he discovered crypto art.
Since 2018, Dave has worked on a ton of different pieces. However, his most interesting work is the “temporary paintings” series, in which he paints a picture every day, using the same canvas, only to erase it immediately. He’s been doing this for over a year.
Join our conversation as we discuss how he managed to redirect his life back to arts, how the surrealist movement inspires him on an ideological level and his temporary paintings.
Key points discussed
- Introduction (00:00)
- What was 10-year-old Dave like and was art part of his background (01:22)
- Parent support and dropping out of art college (05:13)
- Working as a lineman, taking care of the family, and having art as an outlet (09:55)
- Tinkering, 3D printing, and designing his own cyber-deck (15:31)
- Being a life-long learner and studying art in high school vs. college (20:39)
- Finding an audience, not following rules, Dave’s PixelArt story (27:23)
- The idea behind Dave’s temporary paintings and will he ever mint them (35:29)
- Dave’s favorite pieces that he wiped away (43:21)
- What’s Dave working outside his temporary paintings (48:19)
- The concept of practicing in public, podcasting, and the effects of COVID-19 (54:55)
- Being inspired by the surrealist movement on an ideological level (01:02:33)
- Discovering trash art, the idea of crypto art, and decentralized art space (01:07:34)
- Dave’s plans for this year (01:13:20)
Additional Resources
You can follow Reviiser on Twitter. Make sure to check out his work on SuperRare, Rarible, and KnownOrigin.
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1 hr 15 min
May 20, 2021 Olive Allen on Her Education, Saving Manhattan, and Being a Crypto Art Pioneer
Olive Allen is a New York-based visual artist. She’s a true pioneer of the crypto art movement has been a part of the NFT space since its inception in 2018.
Not only was Olive one of the first artists in the crypto art space, but she played a role in shaping the entire movement. She’s also one of the most diverse crypto artists working today.
She has her No One’s Available, Everyone’s Busy series on Open Sea, Hallowcracy on Async Art, while her CoinDesk Most Influential portrait of Charles Cascarilla has been auctioned off on Nifty Gateway. And that’s only a small chunk of her work.
I had the pleasure of talking with Olive for an hour straight. We talk about her background in design, flipping Supreme on eBay, her short-lived acting career, and marketing on crypto art platforms, among other things.
Key points discussed
- Introduction (00:00)
- What would a 7-year-old Olive Allen think of herself now (01:22)
- How being a “know-it-all” helped Olive in the entrepreneurial world (04:32)
- Doing design work, flipping Supreme on eBay, and programming bots (06:58)
- Olive’s education, studying architecture and majoring in industrial design (12:38)
- How to save Manhattan from being flooded when the ocean levels rise (15:57)
- Being passionate about the environment and saving polar bears and koalas (18:21)
- How crypto impacts the environment and Ethereum 2.0 (20:52)
- Living in New York for 10 years, being antisocial in a big city (23:50)
- The crypto art movement and NFTs actually are (28:00)
- What crypto art platforms is Olive Allen currently using (31:59)
- How success stories like FEWOCiOUS are not the norm in crypto art (37:18)
- Fractionalizing your work, limited edition prints, and new platforms (40:46)
- People not understanding crypto art and not believing in NFTs (46:16)
- Is Olive actually banned from SuperRare (52:02)
- What’s Olive Ellen working on and what she got planned (55:05)
Additional Resources
Make sure to check out Olive’s official website. Make sure to follow her on Twitter and Instagram.
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1 hr 1 min
May 17, 2021 Gary Cartlidge on His Journey from Extreme Sports to Crypto Art
Gary Cartlidge is a UK graphic designer, illustrator, and crypto artist. Also, he’s a very good friend of mine. I’ve been a fan of Gary’s work for years. He’s the only artist that would make me consider buying something off Nifty Gateway.
How to describe Gary’s work? Well, it’s chaotic. In a good way. Sometimes minimal. Other times maximal. Lots of his work uses digital elements, bright colors, and bold lines. His style varies from piece to piece but you can always recognize that it’s his work.
That’s why I love him.
We talk about everything from being an extreme sports athlete in his early days to the impact the Internet had on his art. Keep in mind that we haven’t spoken in 6 months, so our conversation goes in many directions over 75 minutes.
Key points discussed
- Introduction (00:00)
- What would 12-year-old Gary think of himself today (02:34)
- How Gary’s transition from extreme sports to the next phase of his life (06:51)
- Studying the psychology of extreme sports athlete (09:55)
- Being a lifelong learner and possibly going back to college (15:05)
- Gary’s experience with gaming and how it made him feel disconnected (18:32)
- Major themes in Gary’s art and why are they important to him (23:17)
- How the Internet can create a false sense of community (26:58)
- People in the Crypto Art community thrive on living rather than surviving (33:00)
- How would the people react to COVID-19 in the 60s and 70s (38:27)
- Crypto art platforms and being ahead of the curve (44:08)
- NFT as a music file format and its potential lifespan (48:12)
- Using Tezos as a way to onboard into the NFT space (52:17)
- The difference between creating content and art (58:53)
- Nifty Gateway and Gary’s experience with the platform (01:03:00)
- How Rarible helped the Crypto Art community (01:08:47)
- Crypto artists moving from Western to Asian countries (01:11:55)
Additional Resources
To see Gary’s art, make sure to check him out on Super Rare. If you want to see some of his old work, follow him on Instagram. For updates, you should also follow him on Twitter.
If you want to stay in the loop and learn about exciting NFT artists, make sure to follow The Outer Realm on your favorite podcast app. Do you like our talks? Leave a rating and a review!
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1 hr 17 min

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