The Podechesis Podcast

By Brett Maddocks, Allen Cason, Jim MorrowReligion & Spirituality Christianity

The Podechesis Podcast episodes

October 13Impartation: How Jesus Made Disciples Up Close
Brett Maddocks, Allen Cason, and Jim Morrow continue their series on disciple-making by focusing on impartation from Robert Coleman’s The Master Plan of Evangelism. They argue that Jesus did not form disciples through information alone, but by living closely with them and modeling a whole way of life. The conversation also tackles a major practical question: how can pastors and lay people impart faith faithfully without pretending to have it all together?
Key topics
In this episode, Brett Maddocks frames impartation as Jesus giving his life to his disciples, not just his teaching.
Allen Cason emphasizes that disciple-making cannot happen from a distance and that people learn by being with us, not just hearing us.
Jim Morrow compares disciple-making to residency training, noting that information alone is never enough without lived demonstration.
The hosts discuss 2 Timothy 3:10 and Paul’s call for Timothy to follow his teaching and way of life, not just his theology.
They explore the balance of vulnerability in ministry, saying leaders should not present only their best selves, but also should not “bleed on people.”
The group stresses that Jesus must remain the hero in any vulnerable story shared in discipleship or preaching.
They distinguish between sharing struggles and showing how faith shapes the way those struggles are lived through.
The conversation highlights several Gospel scenes as examples of impartation, including the feeding of the 5,000, the Gethsemane prayer, the calling to watch and pray, and Jesus responding to opposition.
Brett offers four practical areas of impartation: abiding, character, ministry, and mission.
Allen and Jim underline that disciple-making must include a plan, but the Holy Spirit must remain the main partner in the process.
The hosts encourage listeners that they do not need to be experts to begin discipling, only willing, intentional, and a few steps ahead.
Timestamps
00:00 - Podcast intro and the Braves, Phillies, and disciple-making setup
01:20 - Why the episode focuses on impartation in disciple making
03:13 - Jesus formed disciples by living with them in close proximity
04:02 - More is caught than taught in ministry and parenting
05:54 - The residency analogy and why information is not enough
06:53 - Discipleship shapes the whole person, not just the mind
08:15 - Paul’s way of life as a model for Timothy
09:17 - Vulnerability in ministry and the danger of making the pulpit too polished
11:51 - Sharing struggles while showing faith in the middle of them
12:42 - Gospel scenes that show Jesus imparting by example
15:20 - Gethsemane, watchfulness, and the invitation into Jesus’ vulnerability
16:18 - A simple definition of impartation
17:18 - Intentionality as the key to imparting
19:26 - The Holy Spirit as the main partner in disciple making
21:25 - Holding a plan loosely while following the Spirit
22:33 - Jesus’ interruptions as examples of Spirit-led discipleship
23:41 - Why the plan frees disciple makers to be present
24:44 - What disciple makers actually impart
26:03 - Turning ministry over to the disciple and letting them lead
28:25 - Encouragement for someone who thinks they do not have what it takes
32:02 - You are already influencing others more than you realize
34:34 - A challenge to ask God for specific people to disciple
36:27 - Closing summary: Jesus called people to himself, not curriculum
37:24 - Final sign-off and end-of-episode bonus banter
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Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, husbands, fathers, pastors, disciple makers, and all-around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
40 min
September 29Take Up Your Cross: The Daily Call to Consecration
Cheap grace doesn't make disciples. Obedience does.
In this episode of the Podechesis Podcast, Brett Maddocks, Allen Cason, and Jim Morrow continue to unpack Robert Coleman’s The Master Plan of Evangelism and press into the uncomfortable but freeing truth that discipleship is not about information alone—it’s about surrender, daily obedience, and a life transformed by Jesus’ lordship. You’ll discover:
why “If you love me, keep my commands” is more than a verse you can quote
how John 8, Romans 6, Luke 9, Deuteronomy 6, and Ephesians 1 all shape a theology of obedience
the difference between cheap grace and costly grace in Bonhoeffer’s terms
why consecration is a daily practice, not a one-time decision
how accountability, encouragement, covenant, and holy conferencing help disciples actually grow
Jim brings a Wesleyan lens to sanctification and the role of accountable Christian community. Allen shares how personal worship, solitude, silence, and hearing the Father’s voice shape daily surrender. Brett connects the dots with Scripture, Bonhoeffer, and the practical challenge of living as a disciple maker without becoming legalistic or controlling. This episode is a needed reminder that Jesus does not call us to admire him from a distance. He calls us to follow, to cling to his teaching, to be shaped by his Spirit, and to live as people who are being made new from the inside out. We hope this discussion helps you move from passive belief to active, Spirit-empowered discipleship.
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Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, husbands, fathers, pastors, disciple makers, and all-around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
43 min
September 14 Presence Is the Curriculum: How Jesus Made Disciples
In this episode, Allen, Jim, and Brett explore Robert Coleman’s (Master Plan of Evangelism) ‘association’ principle: Jesus trained his followers primarily by being with them. They discuss how presence, relationship, and everyday life together—meals, regular meetings, vulnerability, and messy relationships—produce character and transformation more than curriculum alone.
Practical tips include meeting frequently, sharing meals, leaders being apprentices, personal worship, and inviting the Holy Spirit into real-life moments as the means of true disciple-making.
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Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, husbands, fathers, pastors, disciple makers, and all-around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
34 min
August 31Selecting Disciples
This episode looks at what Jesus models in selecting the twelve and what that means for disciple making today. Brett Maddocks, Allen Cason, and Jim Morrow focus on the difference between mass ministry and intentional investment in a few, with an emphasis on prayer, discernment, and long-term multiplication.We discuss why selection is not favoritism, how to choose people to pour into, and why discipleship is more about formation than information. The conversation also gets practical about different disciple-making models, permission to say no, and what to do if you realize you need someone to disciple you first.
Key topics
In this episode: Jesus’ selection of the twelve in Luke 6:12 to 13 and the significance of his all-night prayer before choosing
Brett, Allen, and Jim discuss how Scripture often compresses time, using Paul’s timeline as an example
The group contrasts modern urgency and efficiency with the slower work of forming disciples
Jim shares a quote from Alan Hirsch on the “strange and wonderful math” of multiplication in the gospel
The conversation highlights that discipleship is not information transfer but the formation of Christ in a person
Allen argues that Jesus consistently worked with fewer people, not more, even while ministering to crowds
The team discusses the tension some church members feel when leaders choose a few people to invest in deeply
Brett and Allen stress that selection is not about creating tiers of Christians, but about wisdom and multiplication
Practical criteria are given for choosing disciples: faithful, available, intentional, teachable, and humble
The hosts emphasize that prayer should come first, and that God is already at work in the lives of both the discipler and the disciple
Brett explains why it helps to give people permission to say no when invited into a discipleship relationship
The group talks about flexible models for discipleship, including one-on-one mentoring, triads, and small groups
Allen shares that sometimes the right next step is not discipling others, but asking someone to disciple you
Brett gives examples of older and younger leaders asking to be discipled, showing that disciple making is kingdom work across age and denomination
Timestamps
00:00 - Welcome, Diet Coke debate, and introducing the question of choosing disciples
02:01 - Why Jesus choosing the twelve is about disciple making, not predestination
03:08 - Luke 6 and Jesus praying all night before selecting the twelve
04:58 - How scripture compresses time and why that matters for reading the Gospels
07:05 - Why discipleship resists quick wins and instant results
08:33 - A cookie analogy for slow, intentional formation
09:17 - Why crowd ministry matters, but few-to-few multiplication matters more
10:23 - Alan Hirsch on the multiplication math of the gospel
12:28 - Why discipleship is the main engine of the church, not a side department
13:08 - God’s pattern of working through the few
14:52 - What Jesus looked for when choosing disciples
15:22 - Faithful, available, teachable, intentional, and humble
16:16 - Why selecting a few does not create spiritual hierarchy
17:58 - Thinking ten years ahead in disciple making
20:33 - How to start praying for people to invest in
21:56 - A real story of someone showing up after prayer
22:58 - Group models versus one on one mentoring
24:22 - Giving people permission to say no
26:05 - Learning by doing instead of waiting for the perfect system
27:33 - Don’t get stuck on methods before you know who God is sending
28:39 - Fear as a major obstacle to disciple making
29:49 - Choosing flexible plans instead of rigid programs
31:25 - What if you have never been discipled yourself?
32:21 - Asking someone to disciple you
33:10 - An 80 year old asking to be discipled
34:07 - A pastor asking another pastor for discipleship
35:07 - Asking the question may spark a movement
36:06 - Great Commission and Great Commandment together
36:22 - Purpose, assignment, and the call to make disciples
36:37 - Final encouragement: pray first and keep asking who God is putting around you
Notable quotes
“Discipleship is not information transfer, but the formation of Christ in a person.”
“No choice is still a choice.”
“Our purpose is to love God and love one another. Our assignment is to make disciples.”
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Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, husbands, fathers, pastors, disciple makers, and all-around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
38 min
August 17 On Disciple Making: The Master Plan
The Podechesis Podcast returns to explore what it truly means to make disciples, combining theology and practical tools. They trace Wesleyan roots, discuss Jesus' method and Robert Coleman’s Master Plan of Evangelism, and introduce the eight steps of intentional disciple-making.
This episode frames the series’ goal: move beyond mere conversions to lifelong formation by cultivating patient, relational, and repeatable practices in local churches.
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Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, husbands, fathers, pastors, disciple makers, and all-around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
49 min
October 21, 2025 A Biblical Case for Making Disciple Makers: Part 1
The Podechesis Boys are back at it and this time they are talking about a biblical case for making disciple makers. They will make the case that disciple making is not something that was invented in the New Testament. In fact, the roots of what discipleship and disciple making is can be seen in the book of Gensis in the Garden of Eden.
This is part one of a mini-series on disciple making and why we believe it to be so important today.
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[email protected]
Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, fathers, pastors, disciple makers and all-around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
43 min
September 08, 2025 We’re Back!!!! W/Special Guest Tony Miltenberger
To paraphrase a famous American poet, “Don’t call it a comeback. We’ve been here for years.”
The Podechesis boys are back! And we have kicked things off with the very best dude we know, Tony Miltenberger.

Tony is a lot of things. He’s a coach, consultant, pastor, disciple maker, podcaster, husband, father, friend, and author. In this episode, we chat with Tony about his new book, Wisdom in the Wound: How God Uses Your Past to Shape Who You’re Becoming.
You can pre-order the book here, or check out more information about the book and Tony here.
You will also want to check out Tony’s Follow 2 Lead Podcast, wherever you get your podcasts.
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Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, fathers, pastors, disciple makers and all-around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
56 min
May 13, 2024 The Church: Life in the Image: The Nature of the Church (Part 2)
Let’s go to church, y’all!
In this episode of The Podechesis Podcast, the guys begin a conversation on the church as referenced in The Faith Once Delivered document published by the John Wesley Institute.
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Important Links
The Faith Once Delivered
Published TFOD
The John Wesley Institute
John Wesley Institute Videos
Firebrand Magazine
The Daily Text
Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, fathers, pastors, and all around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
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As followers of Jesus Christ, we strive to honor God in everything we do. This includes using our creativity to ascribe glory to our Creator. But our mission doesn’t stop there! Our goal is to empower other creatives to utilize their gifts, talents, and imaginations to glorify God through their creations.
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44 min
March 14, 2024 The Church: Life in the Image: The Nature of the Church (Part 1)
Let’s go to church, y’all!
In this episode of The Podechesis Podcast, the guys begin a conversation on the church as referenced in The Faith Once Delivered document published by the John Wesley Institute.
Listen and Subscribe to Podechesis on: Apple (Leave a 5-Star Review!!!), Spotify, Stitcher, Podbean, Google, YouTube, Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, TuneIn, Listen Notes, and Deezer.
Questions? Send us an email or leave a voicemail.
[email protected]
Voicemail: (404) 635-6679‬
Important Links
The Faith Once Delivered
Published TFOD
The John Wesley Institute
John Wesley Institute Videos
Firebrand Magazine
The Daily Text
Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, fathers, pastors, and all around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
Post Production by Stanton Creative, LLC.
About Stanton Creative
Stanton Creative seeks to serve by providing inspiration & support for fellow creatives through a variety of resources, including podcast and video editing.
But it’s not just WHAT we do that excites us…it’s WHY.
As followers of Jesus Christ, we strive to honor God in everything we do. This includes using our creativity to ascribe glory to our Creator. But our mission doesn’t stop there! Our goal is to empower other creatives to utilize their gifts, talents, and imaginations to glorify God through their creations.
Need help on your next project? Then book your consultation now!
44 min
February 28, 2024 Salvation: The Image Restored Order of Salvation: Sanctification & Glorification
“Be holy as your Heavenly Father is holy."
How does God’s grace lead us to perfection and glory? In this episode of The Podechesis Podcast, the guys continue a conversation on salvation as referenced in The Faith Once Delivered document published by the John Wesley Institute.
Listen and Subscribe to Podechesis on: Apple (Leave a 5-Star Review!!!), Spotify, Stitcher, Podbean, Google, YouTube, Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, TuneIn, Listen Notes, and Deezer.
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Voicemail: (404) 635-6679‬
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Spirit & Truth is a movement of Wesleyan-minded Christians seeking to awaken and equip the 21st-century church, through the power of the Holy Spirit, to share the Gospel and make disciples of Jesus Christ. We long to see a new movement of Christians who are empowered by the Spirit, rooted in the truth, and mobilized for the mission.
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Important Links
The Faith Once Delivered
Published TFOD
The John Wesley Institute
John Wesley Institute Videos
Firebrand Magazine
The Daily Text
Episode Credits:
Episode written, produced, and hosted by Brett Maddocks, Jim Morrow, and Allen Cason.
Allen, Brett, and Jim are three Christ-followers, fathers, pastors, and all around decent fellows who love Jesus, his church, and the historic faith. You can reach us individually via Twitter.
@casonpreach
@jimmorrow
@bmaddocks
Post Production by Stanton Creative, LLC.
About Stanton Creative
Stanton Creative seeks to serve by providing inspiration & support for fellow creatives through a variety of resources, including podcast and video editing.
But it’s not just WHAT we do that excites us…it’s WHY.
As followers of Jesus Christ, we strive to honor God in everything we do. This includes using our creativity to ascribe glory to our Creator. But our mission doesn’t stop there! Our goal is to empower other creatives to utilize their gifts, talents, and imaginations to glorify God through their creations.
Need help on your next project? Then book your consultation now!
37 min

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