In this episode, William and Ilona dive into the importance of human connection when it comes to tackling depression and suicide prevention, pointing out how traditional methods often fall short. William shares a story about a psychiatrist who used behavioral techniques to treat depression, showing how simple actions can make a big impact alongside medication. Ilona talks about the value of teaching positive life tools in schools, like affirmations and the power of music. Throughout, they highlight the role of community and emphasize how small steps and meaningful connections can help people navigate depression.

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