In this episode of the Then Wait podcast, host Lucas Jones engages in a profound conversation with Fred Rutman, also known as Dead Fred. They explore Fred's incredible journey of facing life-threatening heart conditions, his experiences of being clinically dead multiple times, and the emotional and physical challenges he faced during recovery. Fred shares insights on the importance of community support, the role of intermittent fasting in his healing process, and his passion for teaching and writing. The discussion also touches on the significance of hope and resilience in overcoming adversity, making it a truly inspiring episode.