📶 In this episode of Hard Refresh, hosts Caden Hutchens and Karina Neff sit down with John Kunzier, CEO and President of Invisible Sun Technology, to explore how IoT is reshaping janitorial services—from demand-driven cleaning to real-time proof of service.

With decades of experience across tech, marketing, and construction, John shares a fresh, field-tested perspective on using data to drive staffing, compliance, and smarter operations—without creating fear or complexity.

In This Episode:

🔹 Quick Control:

• Catch last week’s episode: Flipping the Script on Tech Friction with Libby DeLucien (Ep. 22)

🔹 Clear Cache:

• Two Truths & a Lie: The Panama Canal, Division I volleyball, and the Appalachian Trail
• Why transparency and IoT shouldn’t scare middle managers
• Using smart sensors to reduce scope creep and track outcomes in real time
• “Data-influenced” leadership vs. data-obsessed micromanagement
• How IoT helped a hospital make the case for more staff within two weeks
• The gap between building automation and janitorial tech—and how to close it
• Why labor is still the biggest cost—and the biggest opportunity for smart tech
• Advice for service leaders who want to bring clients along the innovation journey

💡 Whether you’re trying to prove value,manage teams better, or implement smarter tools, this episode breaks down howIoT can support better outcomes—not just more oversight.

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Connect with the Hosts & Guest:
Caden Hutchens – https://www.linkedin.com/in/caden-hutchens/
Karina Neff – https://www.linkedin.com/in/karina-neff-01b0782a/
John Kunzier – https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnkunzier215527978/