Wherein your hosts—and special guest!—talk about being punished by God at a rock concert, forgetting how to run, getting our hair shampooed, asking why, the greatest generation, and how toddlers are like cats.

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Wherein Luke and CJ discuss corruption, the difference between praise and worship, using big words, marshmallow lyrics, the body, baldness, bops, wholesome YouTube comments, and spending 5 minutes making an “E” sound without showing our teeth.

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Wherein your hosts talk about getting into whiskey, Chevy Chase, puttin’ on the ritz, connecting with art, story time flashback with Luke, Saint Rich Mullins, unreleased episodes, ruining our Spotify and YouTube algorithms, fruity drinks, and locking your truck.

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Wherein CJ and Luke discuss the most fun sentence to say, dads playing yacht rock, backronyms, CJ’s knowledge of metal music, Satanic Panic, backcidents, freedom to experiment, and places to spray mace.

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This episode is a discussion of the docuseries Hillsong: A Megachurch Exposed.

Wherein your hosts talk about disagreements, a classic CJ goof, the marketability of religion, sneakers, the power of chord structure, vibrations, separating the art from the artist, Beliebers, the evils of purity culture, licking guitars, hypocrisy, and social distancing.

Wherein CJ and Luke discuss traditional July 4 dishes, the great sriracha and avocado shortages of 2022, isolation and imitation, The Other, shirtless street preachers, how CJ dressed in college, exvangelicalism, comparing Richie Havens to Shane & Shane, loving songs that we don’t understand, and saying yes to what is.

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Wherein your hosts talk about 1992 Dodge Dakotas, tent revivals, being chased by God, yoga, karaoke versions of P&W songs, reverse psychology, MySpace, things changing too slowly, peanut butter, and the Red Sea.

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Wherein Luke and CJ discuss disrespecting art, watching wrestling, Nirvana, lifeguard roleplay, “MMMBop,” the heat death of the universe, spoiling movies, Luke bringing down the mood, rhyme scheme, and existential dread.

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Wherein your hosts talk about the chicken sandwich battle, going to the gym for a tongue workout, harmony dynamic, falling asleep during a concert, the Sport of Oops, BINGO cards, not following in a line, and stepping out of the shadow and into the light.

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Wherein Luke and CJ discuss selecting the correct microphone in Audacity, songs of comfort, the definition of “range,” Jesus as a macho man, reviewing hymns, a “very good” creation, freedom, spittin’ bars, meeting the nasty quota, and Luke not seeing Moana.

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