For Episode 13, Kap and The Program Podcast were joined by James Kerr, the author of Legacy - What the All-Blacks can teach us about the business of life. Part 2 covers sections 7 through 15 of the book.

The New Zealand All- Blacks are New Zealand’s national rugby team. They are the most successful international men’s rugby side (or team) of all time with a winning percentage of 77.41%. This discussion covers the first 6 (of 15) lessons in leadership we can learn from them on how they (and we) are able to achieve it.