In this raw, brutally honest episode, we’re pulling back the curtain on The Proof Point’s first season with host Mark Huber, VP of Marketing, and newly minted Jillian Hoefer, Senior Content Marketing Manager at UserEvidence.

We’re sharing exactly how our metrics went (spoiler alert: our downloads plateaued), the tactics that worked (and the ones that definitely didn’t), and everything we’ve learned along the way. Think of this as an episode on content evidence, not customer evidence.
 
And yes, we’re telling you exactly what we wish we’d done differently, including a breakdown of our actual results. Plus, we’re giving you a sneak peek at what’s coming in Season 2: new tactics, better strategies, and—yes—real listener questions!

What You’ll Get: 

• The proof of Season 1: What worked, what didn’t, and why
• Why distribution, not creation, is the key to scaling podcast content
• Our top takeaways for improving Season 2 with some sneak peeks 

Things to listen for:
(00:00) Why proof beat opinions every time
(01:50) Jillian’s evolution from podcast partner to UserEvidence marketer
(06:30) Breaking down The Proof Point’s season one wins
(12:10) Lessons learned: Distribution pitfalls and the magic of relationships
(20:00) How to think about “killing your marketing darlings”
(24:30) How UserEvidence leverages podcast content beyond downloads
(31:00) Tackling the challenge of LinkedIn’s algorithm
(36:40) What the shift of strategy means for Season 2
(42:00) The power of in-person interviews for engaging podcast content
(50:10) Listener Q&A

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Kyle Coleman, CMO of Copy.ai, joins The Proof Point to share his refreshing take on the future of the SDR role and the impact of AI on go-to-market teams. Kyle, who began his career as an SDR, shares why so many companies get the SDR model wrong and how AI can be integrated without compromising the authenticity of customer evidence.

From "SDR AI sandwiches" to avoiding “spam cannons,” this episode shows how AI can enhance—not replace—the SDR role by providing actionable insights and trustworthy customer evidence that supports meaningful sales conversations.

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Learn more about the customer evidence platform that B2B teams at Gong, HackerOne, Sendoso, and more trust at userevidence.com.

Things to listen for:

(00:00) Introduction 

(00:28) Why proof, not opinions, drives go-to-market success

(02:20) Kyle’s role at Copy.ai – redefining sales tools

(04:33) Copy.ai’s workflow magic: podcasts to blog posts

(05:33) Tackling “go-to-market bloat” with streamlined solutions

(07:17) Bridging SDR skill gaps with AI efficiency

(09:39) Kyle’s wildest SDR fail – lessons learned

(10:05) AI SDRs? Why buyers want human connections

(11:27) The future SDR: more strategy, less spamming

(13:08) How Copy.ai helps execs meet strategic goals

Bitly’s CMO, Tara Robertson, shares her customer-centric playbook for transforming Bitly from a link shortener to a full connections platform. From leveraging QR codes to merging physical and digital experiences to using customer evidence, Tara explains how Bitly’s retention-focused marketing impacts every user touchpoint. This episode shares insights on building authentic customer connections while highlighting the metrics that matter in the B2B landscape.

Things to listen for:

(00:00) Introduction 

(01:15) Tara’s journey from Sprout Social to Bitly

(03:02) Building a customer marketing playbook at Sprout

(04:27) Measuring retention and adoption with sub-KPIs

(06:37) Bitly’s new direction

(07:54) QR codes to 2D barcodes

(09:39) Expanding Bitly’s target market - SMBs to enterprise

(11:29) Showcasing use cases to support varied customers

(13:24) Using customer stories to build trust

(17:02) Overcoming challenges in gathering authentic evidence

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The TL;DR

Are you struggling to build trust with your buyers? Allyson Havener (TrustRadius) and Mark Huber (UserEvidence) break down the B2B buying disconnect between buyers and marketing and sales efforts—including some helpful tips to apply to your own marketing strategy to help close that gap.

What’s working in B2B marketing:
DATA-BACKED PROOF
Original research and transparent data are key to building credibility and trust with skeptical buyers who are demanding upfront pricing and product claims before purchasing.

What’s not working in B2B marketing:
SUGAR-COATED "PROOF"
Focusing too much on traditional bottom-funnel tactics without addressing what buyers genuinely want reduces trust and transparency. Pushing overly optimistic marketing narratives without real proof causes buyer mistrust. (And can ultimately lead to decision-making paralysis.)

Grab TrustRadius’ original research report
Grab UserEvidence’s original research report The Evidence Gap

Key Takeaways:

• Address the disconnect between B2B buyers and sellers: There’s a significant gap between what buyers want and how sellers and marketers approach them. Buyers prioritize upfront pricing, peer reviews, and minimal sales pressure, while vendors often overlook these preferences.
• Trust is critical in the sales process: B2B buyers are skeptical, especially with the influx of tech options. Transparent communication, real customer evidence, and accurate ROI data is crucial to overcoming buyer hesitation.
• Original research fuels effective marketing strategies: Both TrustRadius and UserEvidence used their research reports as the cornerstone for content creation, social proof, and marketing messaging—illustrating how data-driven insights can shape a year’s worth of marketing materials.
• Brand trust is key in narrowing choices: Buyers typically start their search with 2-3 potential vendors and often stick with their original choice, underscoring the importance of establishing brand trust early in the buyer’s journey.
• Align marketing and sales for deal acceleration: In complex B2B sales, particularly with large enterprises, aligning sales and marketing strategies is essential to shorten the sales cycle and ensure consistent messaging across all touchpoints.

Things to listen for:
(00:00) Welcome to the show
(01:20) How data fuels marketing strategies
(06:22) The B2B brand trust crisis
(07:57) Disconnect between buyer expectations and vendors
(10:33) Buyers, sellers, marketers are not on same page
(12:20) Buyers’ demand for upfront pricing, not secrecy
(13:29) Buyer preference: Peer reviews over pushy sales
(23:13) Why do buyers stick with original vendor choice?

The TL;DR

Struggling with "checkbox marketing" and creating content that actually connects with your audience?

Mark Huber (UserEvidence), Brendan Hufford (Growth Sprints),  Jess Cook (Island), and Brooklin Nash (Beam Content) break down building a content POV that resonates.

What’s working in B2B marketing:
PURPOSE-DRIVEN CONTENT
Creating a POV that focuses on solving real customer problems, not just pushing your product, builds lasting trust and engagement. Don’t create content that just pushes your product. 

What’s not working in B2B marketing:
STICKING TO A CONTENT CHECKLIST Relying on the same old content formats and routines without a clear, compelling POV is causing teams to miss out on real engagement. It’s time to move past "checkbox marketing" and create content that truly matters.

Key takeaways:

• Go beyond checkbox marketing: It's not about doing everything on the list. Instead, focus on creating purposeful content that solves real problems. Checking boxes won’t position your brand as a trusted partner, but creating content with intention will.
• Strong POVs drive engagement: When your POV is clear and speaks to your audience's challenges, it drives engagement and builds trust. Those long-term relationships then create more lasting value.
• Solve problems, not just pitch products: Your content shouldn’t always be about your product. When you lead with the problem your audience is facing, you open up more opportunities to build genuine connections.
• Leadership buy-in is critical: Getting leadership aligned with a content strategy that goes beyond metrics is crucial. When leadership trusts in the long-term vision, it’s easier to step away from safe, metrics-driven content.
• Listen to your audience first: The best content starts with understanding your audience. Whether through direct feedback or collaboration with internal teams, insights from your audience guide the way to more relevant and impactful content.

Things to listen for:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:10) Why B2B marketing teams play it safe
(03:06) The problem with checkbox marketing
(05:48) Developing a POV with clear imperatives
(11:34) How a focused message attracts the right audience
(13:24) Balancing high-level concepts and tactical insights
(17:49) Top-down vs. bottom-up approaches to content strategy
(34:16) Building your POV around customer insights
(37:22) Driving cross-team content with a unified strategy
(40:01) Breaking content into key themes and pillars
(46:37) Standing out in a crowded market with distinct messaging
(48:37) Final thoughts on crafting impactful content

The TL;DR
Struggling to prove marketing’s impact?

Mark Huber (UserEvidence), Pranav Piyush (Paramark), Megan Boone (Redis), and Jason Widup (Fractional CMO) share their approaches for setting goals, measuring success, and getting leadership buy-in for strategies that aren’t always quantifiable. Find out how they strike the right balance between short-term wins and long-term growth.

What’s working in B2B marketing:
TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT, NOT JUST THE NUMBERS
Not every successful tactic can be neatly measured. Combining data with sound judgment builds the confidence needed for leadership buy-in.

What’s not working in B2B marketing:
OVER-RELIANCE ON METRICS
Focusing too much on data can miss the bigger picture. Not every effective strategy shows immediate returns, but building trust with leadership allows room for tactics that take longer to pay off.

The key takeaways:
1. Internal communication goes beyond sharing wins: It’s not just about delivering visible results. Consistent updates ensure leadership understands the marketing team’s ongoing efforts, even when the impact isn’t immediately obvious.
2. Growth isn’t just about the numbers: A successful strategy balances measurable goals with flexible initiatives. Both are needed to drive short-term gains and long-term progress.
3. Trust starts with early wins: Securing quick, measurable outcomes helps build the trust needed to pursue larger, more ambitious strategies that take longer to pay off.
4. Go beyond attribution with modeling: Attribution is important, but it’s not the only way to measure success. Modeling helps capture broader trends and gives a clearer picture of performance.
5. Set expectations early: This is more than hitting targets. Establishing realistic, achievable goals allows you to exceed targets and foster stronger relationships with leadership.

The things to listen for
(00:00) Intro
(01:17) The challenge of proving marketing’s impact
(02:25) Setting measurable goals vs. trusting your instincts
(05:49) Why internal marketing builds leadership trust
(09:33) Can everything be measured? 
(13:27) Using event marketing to drive pipeline
(17:28) Balancing data-driven decisions with intuition
(22:58) How small wins build momentum for your team
(29:03) Modeling success versus focusing on measurement
(36:24) Biggest mistakes and advice for new marketing leaders

The TL;DR

Struggling to show the real value of customer marketing?

Mark Huber (UserEvidence) is joined by Jane Menyo (Gong), Cache Walker (Trellix), and Leslie Barrett (Tipalti) to reveal how top B2B SaaS companies are finding proof points that matter.

What’s working in customer marketing:
THINK LIKE A CONSULTANT
Treat customer marketing as more than just a department. Act like a consultant—balance short-term wins with long-term impact by building solid relationships, both inside and outside your organization.

What’s not working in customer marketing:
LACK OF PROOF
Too many teams are operating without clear metrics. To show the real business value of customer marketing, you need data-driven results. This helps break the myth that it’s just a "feel-good" function.

Key takeaways: 

• Customer marketing goes beyond quick wins: It’s not about just driving immediate results or running feel-good advocacy programs. Think of it as a long-term, consultative approach—you're providing strategic guidance rather than just being another team member.
• Proof is everything: Real customer evidence is at the heart of credibility. In B2B, marketers are seeing the shift to data-backed customer feedback, much like how consumer reviews drive decisions in companies like Uber and Airbnb.
• Tracking engagement isn’t straightforward: It can be tricky for customer marketers to demonstrate the value they bring. Traditional metrics don’t always capture the relationship-building efforts. However, creating solid frameworks and using the right tools to track engagement helps bridge that gap.
• Scaling with creativity and AI: AI tools, like bots that learn from customer feedback and thoughtful multichannel campaigns, can streamline customer marketing. This not only saves manual effort but also leads to genuine, meaningful engagement.
• Getting executives on board: Engaging with top-level executives is one of the toughest aspects of customer marketing, but it’s vital. Identifying the right stakeholders and crafting specific initiatives for them can make all the difference.

The things to listen for:

(00:00) Intro 

(01:17) Why proof points are crucial for go-to-market teams

(02:07) Common mistakes in customer marketing

(03:01) Initial missteps in the field of marketing

(04:02) Why customer marketing is misunderstood 

(07:13) Why customer feedback is important

(09:55) Influences in customer marketing

(14:16) The challenges and pitfalls of customer marketing

(25:28) Leveraging technology and automation

(36:17) Measuring the impact and ROI of customer marketing efforts

The TL;DR

Overwhelmed by the endless debate between brand awareness and demand creation?

Mark Huber (UserEvidence), Liam Moroney (Storybook Marketing), Sydney Sloan (G2), and Sam Kuehnle (Loxo) break down the real differences and why getting it right matters more than ever.

What’s working in B2B marketing:

FALLING IN LOVE WITH THE CUSTOMER
Understanding your audience isn’t enough. The best brands are fixated on solving customer problems, which drives authentic connection and loyalty.

What’s not working in B2B marketing:

CONFUSING BRAND AWARENESS WITH DEMAND CREATION
Lumping brand awareness and demand creation together is a mistake. Knowing when and how to leverage each is crucial for driving both immediate results and long-term growth.

The key takeaways

• Customer-first focus: Fall in love with solving customer problems, not just promoting your product. This approach builds trust and positions your brand as a true partner in success.
• Clear, direct messaging: Clarity beats cleverness every time. Make sure your brand message isn’t lost in jargon—be straightforward about what you offer and why it matters.
• Evidence over opinions: In a market full of noise, hard proof stands out. Use data and real-world results to back up your claims, reinforcing trust with your audience.
• Targeted demand creation: Move beyond broad brand awareness. Create targeted, meaningful demand by showing why your solution is the best choice for specific problems.
• Long-term success: Don’t get lost chasing quick wins. Focus on building lasting relationships and sustainable growth by prioritizing high-quality engagement over vanity metrics.

The things to listen for
(00:00) Intro
(01:17) Why brand awareness and demand creation aren’t the same
(04:35) Love the problem more than the product
(07:22) How customer fixation drives successful marketing strategies
(11:08) The dangers of blurring brand and demand
(14:43) Why simplicity beats cleverness in messaging
(19:12) How data-driven marketing builds trust
(22:57) Targeting your ideal customer profile with demand creation
(27:36) Long-term growth strategies vs. chasing quick wins
(31:48) The role of evidence in building a trustworthy brand
(36:54) Key insights and final thoughts from the guests

The TL;DR

Overwhelmed by the constant push to be customer-obsessed?

Mark Organ (Influitive), Jill Rowley (Salesforce), and Evan Huck (UserEvidence) dive deep into what it means to truly focus on the customer without losing sight of what’s best for your business. This episode explores the delicate balance between meeting customer demands and maintaining a healthy company culture.

What’s working in B2B SaaS:

UNDERSTANDING CUSTOMER NEEDS

Instead of simply following customer requests, deeply understand and anticipate their needs to deliver truly valuable solutions. Aligning product and service offerings with genuine customer problems can lead to innovative breakthroughs and stronger customer loyalty.

What’s not working in B2B SaaS:

BLINDLY FOLLOWING CUSTOMER DEMANDS

Prioritizing every customer request without consideration can lead to unsustainable practices and burnout. A balanced approach that also considers employee well-being and strategic business goals is essential for long-term success.

The key takeaways

• Customer Obsession with Balance: While being customer-centric is vital, it’s equally important to know when to set boundaries. Effective go-to-market strategies involve understanding and anticipating customer needs rather than blindly following every request. This balanced approach fosters a sustainable relationship with customers and ensures business health.
• Innovative Pricing Strategies: Companies that innovate in pricing and packaging often see significant growth. By aligning pricing models with customer value and needs, businesses can remove barriers to adoption and drive scale. This approach also involves transferring some cost and risk from the customer to the company, ensuring a win-win situation.
• Real Customer Stories: Integrating real customer stories and evidence into the sales process is crucial. Prospects trust peer experiences more than sales pitches, making customer evidence a powerful tool for building credibility and trust. This method enhances the buying experience and increases conversion rates.
• Employee-Centric Culture: Ensuring a healthy work environment for employees can lead to better customer experiences. By investing in employee well-being and empowerment, companies create a positive feedback loop that benefits both employees and customers.
• Strategic Customer Relationships: Not all customer feedback should be implemented. Knowing when to say no and maintaining strategic focus helps companies avoid unnecessary complexity and ensures that they deliver the most value. This approach highlights the importance of strategic decision-making in maintaining a customer-centric yet sustainable business model.

The things to listen for:

(00:00) Intro

(01:28) Understanding customer needs instead of following requests blindly

(05:49) Balancing customer demands with strategic business goals

(08:06) The impact of employee well-being on customer experience

(11:16) Innovative pricing strategies for better customer alignment

(14:56) The power of real customer stories in building trust

(19:33) Knowing when to say no to customer feedback

(23:48) Aligning product development with genuine customer problems

(33:52) The importance of strategic decision-making in B2B SaaS

(39:20) How employee-centric cultures lead to better customer outcomes

(44:25) Creating a sustainable relationship with customers through balanced approaches

The TL;DR

Feeling overwhelmed by outdated playbooks and rigid sales processes?

Kevin White (Common Room), Mac Reddin (Commsor), and Natalie Marcotullio (Navattic)—leaders in modern go-to-market strategies—dive deep into transforming your approach to align with today’s buyer expectations, leveraging cutting-edge signals, and fostering long-term relationships.

What’s working in B2B marketing:

ADOPTING A BUYER-FIRST APPROACH

Putting your buyer at the center isn’t just a trend—it’s a necessity. From understanding buyer signals to ensuring seamless experiences, aligning your sales process with buyer preferences can significantly boost engagement and conversions.

What’s not working in B2B marketing:

RELYING SOLELY ON MQLs AND SHORT-TERM METRICS

Focusing only on marketing-qualified leads and short-term gains can be a pitfall. Prioritizing pipeline metrics and long-term relationship building over vanity metrics fosters sustainable growth and deeper connections with your audience.

The key takeaways

• Empathy is Essential: Truly understanding and empathizing with buyers is the cornerstone of effective go-to-market strategies. While AI may support this in the future, it can't replace the nuanced understanding human empathy provides. This approach allows sales and marketing teams to connect deeply with buyers, addressing their needs and concerns, and fostering authentic, trust-based relationships.
• Proof Over Opinions: In go-to-market efforts, tangible proof and data are far more compelling than opinions. Presenting concrete evidence and real-world results builds trust and credibility with buyers. This data-driven approach enhances marketing campaigns' persuasiveness and supports informed strategic decisions, demonstrating our commitment to honesty and transparency.
• Signal-Based Strategies: Utilizing various buyer signals, such as LinkedIn engagement, website visits, and job changes, can significantly boost marketing and sales effectiveness. By understanding and acting on these signals, companies can tailor outreach to be more personal and relevant, increasing engagement and conversion rates. This ensures we meet our audience where they are, with the right message at the right time.
• Buyer-First Approach: Aligning the sales process with buyers' preferences is crucial. By addressing their pain points and simplifying their experience, we create a seamless and enjoyable journey. This buyer-first mentality leads to better outcomes and stronger relationships, showing buyers they are understood and valued, aligning with our commitment to being a trusted guide.
• Balancing Metrics: While short-term sales metrics are important, a sole focus on them can be limiting. Prioritizing long-term relationship building and high-quality leads ensures sustainable success. By emphasizing pipeline growth and conversion rates over vanity metrics, we foster deeper connections and achieve lasting results. This balanced approach supports steady growth and adapts to evolving market conditions, reflecting our resourceful and confident approach.

The things to listen for

[00:00] Intro 
[01:28] CRM stages create an inorganic buying process; trust buyers more 
[05:49] Ownership of go-to-market varies with company maturity 
[08:06] Changes in buyer behavior and competition affect go-to-market 
[11:16] Signal-based go-to-market strategies 
[14:56] Effective signals and how to use them 
[19:33] Focus on long-term relationships, not short-term sales goals 
[23:48] Buyer-first go-to-market 
[33:52] Balance short-term results with long-term value 
[39:20] Focus on pipeline rather than vanity metrics 
[44:25] Balance quantitative and qualitative feedback