
Sign up to save your podcasts
Or


About Todd Beebe: Todd Beebe, a cybersecurity veteran since the early 90s, commenced his journey by thwarting attempts to hack his BBS. His expertise led to pivotal roles with an international organization, securing remote access, fortifying websites, and pioneering firewall deployment. Later, at Ernst & Young, he spearheaded the Attack & Penetration practice in Houston, penetrating Fortune 500 clients and contributing to the precursor of the Hacking Exposed book series. Todd's entrepreneurial spirit thrived as he founded cybersecurity companies, notably inventing the telecom firewall 'TeleWall' and the web application firewall 'eServer Secure,' holding nine US patents. His career includes fortifying the White House and Pentagon against cyber threats and building cybersecurity programs for multiple Fortune 500 organizations.
In this episode, Aaron and Todd Beebe discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"I'm ready to continue learning. I believe that's the most important part for anyone in cybersecurity. It's whether they have that mindset: it's not failure, it's learning. If we can get that into the mindsets of the next generation, I think then we've done what we needed to do." — Todd Beebe
Connect with Todd Beebe:
Email: [email protected]
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddbeebe/
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About Ron Fabela: Ron Fabela, a seasoned cybersecurity professional with over 20 years of experience, specializes in safeguarding Industrial Control Systems (ICS) and Operations Technology (OT). Currently serving as the Field CTO at XONA, Ron leads initiatives to establish secure industrial access, ensuring safe operations for asset owners globally. With a background rooted in hands-on experience across diverse critical infrastructure sectors such as power generation, offshore oil, and refineries, he excels in overcoming industry-specific challenges and possesses a unique skill set to articulate technical and business concepts effectively to a broad audience.
In this episode, Aaron and Ron Fabela discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"I appreciate where I'm at. That's why I stay in the community. I don't think I could ever go back to enterprise and have that same feeling of mission and importance without letting it get to you. Early on, a lot of us were like, "We're saving the world." It's like, "No, no, no. We're just trying to help people, and we're helping ourselves in the process." That's why I love the community." — Ron Fabela
Connect with Ron Fabela:
Email: [email protected] (unofficial business) & [email protected] (official business)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronniefabela/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/ron_fab
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About Dan Gunter: Dan Gunter, founder and CEO of Insane Forensics, is a seasoned cybersecurity professional renowned for his extensive expertise in the field. With a background as an officer in the United States Air Force, specifically with the Air Force Computer Emergency Response Team (AFCERT) and operational CYBERCOM teams, Dan has a wealth of experience in protecting critical infrastructure sites. His leadership extends to the private sector, where he served as the Director of Research and Development for Dragos Inc. before founding Insane Forensics. As a prominent speaker at major cybersecurity events, including Black Hat and ShmooCon, Dan shares his insights on incident response, threat hunting, consequence analysis, and security operations. Under his guidance, Insane Forensics provides a cutting-edge cybersecurity automation platform and services, catering to the unique challenges faced by industrial sites with limited cybersecurity resources.
In this episode, Aaron and Dan Gunter discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"I worry about how we keep up. We're not going to do it by people alone. We won't do it by process or technology alone. It's going to be all three. It's going to be just us being smart about it and being open to the future." — Dan Gunter
Connect with Dan Gunter:
Website: https://insaneforensics.com/
Email: [email protected]
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSBx8on8ffSm00kqUcTrRPA
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-gunter/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/insaneforensics
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About Thomas VanNorman: Thomas VanNorman, a seasoned professional with almost three decades of experience in OT, is currently leading the CyPhy Product group at GRIMM. His primary focus involves securing Industrial Control Systems and networking within this domain. Additionally, Tom is a co-founder of the ICS Village, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to Control System security and awareness, where he has volunteered for almost a decade. Tom retired from the Air National Guard after serving in Cyber Warfare Operations, capping off a diverse career that included working on airplane control systems for 12 years.
In this episode, Aaron and Thomas VanNorman discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"Our role as technologists is to explain the facts: Why does this matter? What happens if you fix it? What happens if you don't fix it? It may cost millions of dollars to fix it. It might be for an air handler that operates the warehouse, which doesn't matter much. Or it could be an air handler for that warehouse that does matter because it has to be climate-controlled. Things go south quickly. It's the same piece of hardware, the same piece of technology, but with different applications." — Thomas VanNorman
Connect with Thomas VanNorman:
Email: [email protected]
Website: https://www.icsvillage.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasvannorman/
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About Don C. Weber: Don C. Weber is the Principal Consultant and Founder of Cutaway Security, LLC, an information security consulting firm based in Texas. With a master's degree in network security and a Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP) certification, Don has a wealth of expertise gained over two decades. As a seasoned leader, he has spearheaded large-scale incident response efforts, overseen the certification and accreditation of classified federal and military systems, and managed distributed security teams safeguarding mission-critical Navy assets. A prolific contributor to open-source projects in the realm of information security and incident response, Don focuses his current efforts on assisting organizations in fortifying their critical infrastructure and operational technology environments through comprehensive vulnerability evaluations and strategic security solutions.
In this episode, Aaron and Don C. Weber discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"Does the OT side understand anything about cloud? No, that's not their job. Whose job is it? It's the job, right now every company has an IT admin or an IT team, a full team for managing cloud within the corporate environment. If you don't accept, if you don't allow some leadership people from those teams in and start building out your cloud team, you're going to quickly fall behind the times, you're going to be deploying solutions that are vulnerable to remote attacks." — Don C. Weber
Additional Resources:
SANS Industrial Control Systems Security: https://www.sans.org/industrial-control-systems-security/
ICS Village: https://www.icsvillage.com/
Connect with Don C. Weber:
Email: [email protected]
Website: https://www.cutawaysecurity.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cutaway/
GitHub: https://github.com/cutaway-security
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About Ron Brash: Ron Brash, a renowned figure in ICS/OT cybersecurity and embedded vulnerability research, garnered acclaim as the recipient of the Top 40 under 40 award for Engineering Leaders 2020 from Plant Engineering. Serving as the VP of Technical Research & Integrations at aDolus Technology Inc., Ron aligns his passion for ICS/OT security by leveraging his extensive experience in advising major asset owners across industries such as oil & gas, manufacturing, energy, and aviation. His notable achievements include playing a pivotal role in creating datasets for the S4 ICS Detection Challenges, reflecting his commitment to advancing industry standards and fostering innovation in cybersecurity.
In this episode, Aaron and Ron Brash discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"Some are very forward-leaning and some believe in the democratization of data, and some are more old school and don't want to share a thing. Within the realm of business, and to be truly fair, no business is homogenous. So, there are different business units that might be more modern and more open facing, and others that are like, don't touch this because you don't know what other industries we're working in." — Ron Brash
Connect with Ron Brash:
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.adolus.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/adolus & https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronbrash/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/ron_brash
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About Michael Holcomb: Michael Holcomb is the Fellow of Cybersecurity and the ICS/OT Cybersecurity Global Lead for Fluor, a prominent engineering, procurement, and construction company. In his current role, he focuses on securing vast ICS/OT environments, ranging from power plants and commuter rail to manufacturing facilities and refineries. Currently pursuing his Master’s thesis on Programmable Logic Controllers' attack surface with the SANS Technology Institute, he holds multiple cyber security and ICS/OT certifications like CISSP, GRID, GICSP, GCIP, GPEN, GCIH, and ISA 62443. Beyond his professional endeavors, he founded the UpstateSC ISSA Chapter and BSides Greenville conference, and authored and taught cyber security courses at Greenville Technical College, earning him the CyberSC’s MG Lester D. Eisner Award for Cyber Excellence in Leadership for South Carolina in 2023.
In this episode, Aaron and Michael Holcomb discuss:
○ Closing the IT-OT skills gap in cybersecurity
○ Navigating the path to cybersecurity expertise
○ The intersection of OT cybersecurity and networking
○ The evolving landscape of OT cybersecurity
Key Takeaways:
○ Bridging the gap between IT professionals learning to think like engineers and OT specialists embracing cybersecurity not only enhances collaboration but also strengthens our ability to secure critical infrastructures, a journey that demands time, dedication, and a shared commitment to a safer digital future.
○ Embracing a multidisciplinary approach and fostering collaboration between IT and OT professionals, along with hands-on experience and continuous learning, is the key to breaking into the rapidly evolving field of cybersecurity, transforming passion and knowledge into practical expertise.
○ Mastering networking fundamentals is the key to bridging the gap between IT and engineering, enabling the design of resilient systems that prevent costly operational disruptions, and emphasizing the need for continuous learning and collaboration in this dynamic field.
○ The integration of IT technologies into OT without adequate expertise has led to vulnerabilities; expecting OT professionals to handle cybersecurity is akin to asking a plumber to do electrical work. While progress is being made, the industry must prepare for a potentially catastrophic event to truly acknowledge the importance of cybersecurity in OT.
"One of the things that's sad to me about the OT cybersecurity industry, and this even goes for folks that are new to the industry and even some of the old players that have been out there for 20, 30, maybe 40 years plus, is that there's still, in some respects, not a lot of concern around what it's going to take for people to take cybersecurity and OT seriously. And so there's going to be that event one day, where people are going to die, right? That is going to finally force people to take cybersecurity and OT seriously." — Michael Holcomb
Connect with Michael Holcomb:
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.fluor.com
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mikeholcomb
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@utilsec
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About Kayne McGladrey: Kayne McGladrey, CISSP, is a seasoned cybersecurity expert with over twenty-five years of experience and a senior member of the IEEE. As the field CISO for Hyperproof, he specializes in advising companies on upholding the implicit social contract to protect entrusted data. Kayne's transformative leadership has been instrumental in implementing robust security measures, disaster-recovery systems, and compliance standards, earning him recognition as a spokesperson for IEEE's Public Visibility Initiative and a prominent media presence. Additionally, his dedication to fostering diversity in cybersecurity has led him to develop educational programs and build effective teams, showcasing his commitment to expanding opportunities in the field.
In this episode, Aaron and Kayne McGladrey discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"If we don't decide to manage the economic impacts of artificial intelligence, potentially a lot of industries could be at least partially automated. And that has the potential for a lot of social arm where people just don't have jobs. And when you get people who are automated out of a job, what are they going to go do? They're going to do something that everybody can do fine, but it doesn't pay well. Like you end up going and driving for a living or doing deliveries for a living. And you end up with a highly educated workforce that is unhappy. That's like a recipe right there for civil unrest." — Kayne McGladrey
Connect with Kayne McGladrey:
Email: [email protected]
Website: https://hyperproof.io
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaynemcgladrey/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@hyperproof
Twitter: https://twitter.com/kaynemcgladrey
Kayne will be speaking at the GPSEC Columbus next week: https://go.guidepointsecurity.com/2023_11_14_GPSEC_Columbus_NC_01-Registration-Page.html
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About John Cusimano: John Cusimano is a seasoned business and thought leader, boasting over 30 years of expertise in process control, functional safety, and operational technology (OT) and industrial control systems (ICS) cybersecurity. With a track record of conducting numerous OT cybersecurity vulnerability assessments, he has played a pivotal role in establishing cybersecurity programs for numerous companies. As a prominent member of the ISA 99 cybersecurity standards committee, he chaired the subcommittee responsible for crafting the ISA/IEC 62443-3-2:2020 standard and developed multiple training courses on OT cybersecurity, showcasing his extensive knowledge and influence in the field.
In this episode, Aaron and John Cusimano discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"The other approach that a lot of people take is just piling on every security control out there. And that's also not tenable either long term. Sometimes it's actually counterproductive to security because every tool you put in has access." — John Cusimano
Connect with John Cusimano:
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.armexa.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-cusimano-icssec/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/armexa
John will be speaking at the 18th Annual API Cybersecurity Conference for the Oil and Natural Gas Industry next week: https://events.api.org/18th-annual-api-cybersecurity-conference-for-the-oil-and-natural-gas-industry
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
About Eric Smith: Eric Smith is a dedicated Security Management Consultant and the founder of Business Karate, LLC, a Colorado-based company specializing in security planning and strategic development for organizations. With over a decade of experience in law enforcement, Eric is passionate about aligning security measures with business needs and has transitioned his expertise into healthcare security management, where he focuses on long-term strategic planning and enhancing workplace violence prevention programs. He is also an accomplished author, with his latest book titled "Workplace Security Essentials."
In this episode, Aaron and Eric Smith discuss:
Key Takeaways:
"I think people are really starting to be more aware of the risk of workplace violence. So I think we're going to start seeing more training around that and hopefully good training, not just the kind of pencil-whipping lip service that too often happens, but something that's really going to benefit people that might find themselves in a bad situation at work." — Eric Smith
Connect with Eric Smith:
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.businesskarate.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericsmithcpp/
Workplace Security Essentials: A Guide for Helping Organizations Create Safe Work Environments: https://www.amazon.com/Workplace-Security-Essentials-Organizations-Environments/dp/0124165575
Connect with Aaron:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrow
Learn more about Industrial Defender:
Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICS
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120
Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.
From the publisher's feed
Despite the growing attention on industrial cybersecurity, there is still much work to be done to keep pace with the increasing risks. To mature and comprehensively protect against cyber threats to…
The PrOTect OT Cybersecurity podcast brings together experts in the field of cybersecurity for critical infrastructure and industrial organizations. Join Aaron Crow, the Chief Technology Officer at Industrial Defender, and the OT security community as they explore the latest developments and challenges unique to protecting operational environments
Whether you want to learn the best practices and strategies for protecting power plants, water treatment facilities, food and beverage plants or automotive factories, this podcast is for you.

177 Listeners