The Psychic and The Skeptic

The Psychic and The Skeptic

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  • Episode 41- Cryptid Files - The Deer Lady

    In this episode, Christy and Kathy explore their Cryptid Files and the case of the Deer Lady, a figure from Native American folklore—especially in Oklahoma—known as a spirit of beauty, vengeance, and warning. They describe her appearance (a beautiful woman with hooves, sometimes deer-from-the-waist-down, and occasionally antlers or reflective eyes) and explain a common origin story: a woman assaulted and murdered in the woods, reborn to punish predatory men by luring them away and trampling them. They discuss how multiple tribes share versions of the legend, how tobacco and chanting may banish her in Ojibwe tradition, and how the tale functions as a moral boundary story in societies without formal legal systems. Anecdotal sightings (including tribal police and powwow stories) are weighed against skepticism, misidentification, and lack of verifiable evidence, concluding the legend endures as symbolic justice and community protection.

    Content warning: Brief mention of sexual assault at 04:45

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    00:00 Welcome to the Cryptid Files

    00:31 What Is the Deer Lady

    01:53 Origin Story at Concho

    02:46 Who She Is Across Tribes

    04:45 Trigger Warning and Dark Origins

    06:01 How to Survive Her

    06:48 What She Looks Like

    08:22 Myth as Moral Lesson

    11:33 Where She’s Reported Seen

    14:19 Modern Sightings and Police Report

    16:26 Powwow and Roadside Tales

    18:16 No Evidence and Skeptic Take

    18:38 Hoofprints and Misreads

    19:20 Deer in Headlights

    20:43 Powwow Energy Effects

    22:36 Apparitions and Priming

    25:07 Pop Culture Portrayals

    26:37 Global Myth Parallels

    27:57 No Evidence Debate

    29:24 Legend as Justice

    30:32 Final Thoughts and Outro

    33 min
  • Episode 40 - The Paranormal - Earthbound Spirits

    In this episode, Chritsy and Kathy explore earthbound spirits—souls believed to remain in the earthly realm due to confusion about death, attachment to grieving loved ones, fear of the afterlife, or unresolved emotions. They discuss EVPs as investigative support, including a “Class A” EVP from the Ritz Theater in Shawnee, Oklahoma saying “Are we dead?” Para-history includes a dive into cross-cultural history over thousands of years and they evaluate earthbound spirits from famous cases like Eastern State Penitentiary, the Myrtles Plantation (challenging the Chloe legend with historical records), and the Winchester Mystery House. Christie shares investigation experiences involving earthbound spirits Sam at Kendal’s, Mark in a residential case, Edward at Stone Lion Inn, a hostile spirit at Lincoln County Memorial Hospital, and Allison from “A Victim’s Cry,” and she explains how to distinguish earthbound spirits from transcendent or crossed-over spirits.

    Send your para-stories to [email protected] and we may read them on a future episode!

    Episode content warning: This episode briefly discuses assault and murder. Listener discretion is advised.

    Disclaimers:

    • This podcast is for informational or entertainment purposes only and should not be considered professional or medical advice. The content is general and accuracy is not guaranteed. Listeners are responsible for how they use the information.
    • The hosts are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.
    • This podcast content is protected by copyright and unauthorized use is prohibited.

    00:00 Earthbound Spirits Intro

    00:40 Why Ghosts Stay

    02:18 EVPs and Investigator View

    03:50 Ritz Theater EVP

    05:29 Ancient Spirit Beliefs

    10:09 Modern Hauntings and Relatives

    12:51 Psychics as Beacons

    17:35 Sensing Earthbound Energy

    19:29 Eastern State Penitentiary

    24:24 Myrtles Plantation Legend

    29:23 Debunking Ghost Photos

    34:31 Debunking Ghost Photos

    35:28 Chloe Myth Exposed

    36:46 Real Deaths at Myrtles

    39:05 Why Legends Spread

    39:41 Winchester House Origins

    42:16 Hauntings vs Explanations

    44:27 Earthbound Cases Begin

    44:56 Sam at Kendalls

    48:44 Mark at Akma Park

    55:02 Edward at Stone Lion

    56:21 Hospital Entity Encounter

    58:58 Allison Victims Cry

    01:02:35 Helping Spirits Cross

    01:03:47 Final Thoughts and Outro

    1 hr 5 min
  • Episode 39 - Case Files - The Beattie Mansion

    In this episode Christy and Kathy open their case file investigation of the Beattie Mansion in St. Joseph, Missouri, joined by the API team. Kathy walks through key points of its history from its 1800s origins with Armstrong and Eliza Beatty to later use by the Ladies Union Benevolent Society and the building’s long run as a home for residents in need. Christy reviews common paranormal claims tied to the property and both discuss how expectations, history, and investigation methods can shape what teams report. They analyze several pieces of captured audio and debate an intriguing photograph capured by API. They wrap with ways to view posted materials and what listeners want in future episodes.

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    • This podcast is for informational or entertainment purposes only and should not be considered professional or medical advice. The content is general and accuracy is not guaranteed. Listeners are responsible for how they use the information.
    • The hosts are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.
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    00:00 Case Files Return

    01:02 Mansion Overview

    02:15 Beatty Family History

    05:48 Cholera and Aftermath

    08:19 Home for Friendless

    13:03 Modern Era Renovations

    14:19 Paranormal Claims Tour

    19:08 Orphanage EVP

    22:41 Whistling and Hey EVP

    25:14 Accident EVP Break

    27:30 Child Room Voice

    31:57 West Wing Walkway

    32:42 EVP Q and A Method

    33:37 Psychic Frequency Debate

    36:00 Faint Voice and Knock

    39:08 Music Box Motion Tool

    41:23 Basement and Night One

    42:15 Morning Bunkroom EVP

    44:18 Staircase Apparition Photo

    47:44 Skeptic vs Psychic Analysis

    53:42 Eliza Spirit Encounter

    54:45 Wrap Up and Next Trips

    58 min
  • Episode 38 - Cryptid Files - The Thunderbird

    In this episode, Christy and Kathy bring you another “Cryptid Files” with the Thunderbird, contrasting metaphysical belief with scientific skepticism. They describe the creature as a giant bird with a reported 15–30 foot wingspan and its cultural roots as a sacred sky guardian and take an anthropological angle to discuss how pre-scientific cultures encoded weather fears into symbolic beings. They review five famous cases—Civil War “pterodactyl” photo, 1890 Tombstone story, 1890 farmer photo, 1892 Pennsylvania reports, and the 1977 Illinois Marlon Lowe incident.

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    Disclaimers:

    • This podcast is for informational or entertainment purposes only and should not be considered professional or medical advice. The content is general and accuracy is not guaranteed. Listeners are responsible for how they use the information.
    • The hosts are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.
    • This podcast content is protected by copyright and unauthorized use is prohibited.

    00:00 Cryptid Files Return

    01:50 What Is the Thunderbird

    03:00 Size and Tribal Origins

    04:41 Storm Bringer Mythology

    06:57 Skeptic Takes on Legends

    08:31 Anthropology and Symbolism

    10:44 Evidence and Missing Fossils

    12:48 Case 1 Civil War Photo

    15:46 Case 2 Tombstone Story

    22:02 Case 3 Farmer Photo

    23:18 Debunking the Farm Photo

    24:03 No Newspaper Trail

    25:23 Pennsylvania Giant Bird

    27:34 Altoona Times Reality Check

    31:31 Illinois Bird Attack 1977

    33:06 Witnesses and Media Frenzy

    34:25 What Bird Could It Be

    40:25 Why Legends Persist

    43:09 Final Verdict and Wrap

    45 min
  • Episode 37 - Spiritual Attachments

    In this episode, Christy and Kathy define “spiritual attachments” and outline types including residual energetic imprints, ancestral or guide attachments, earthbound spirits, and non-human entities, while comparing metaphysical beliefs with psychological explanations tied to trauma, grief, anxiety, and hyper-vigilance. They discuss how attachments may form through vulnerability, depression, or substance use, emphasizing oppression rather than possession and the importance of investigator boundaries and protection. A brief cross-cultural history covers Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Chinese, and medieval European obsession. Case stories framed through hypnotherapy depict attachment-like experiences linked to childhood abuse, survivor’s guilt, combat PTSD, and caregiver burnout that dissipate with processing. Christie shares two investigation-based attachment experiences: “Pamela” from Guthrie Hospital who followed and tormented her, and a Haitian voodoo-related spirit from a 2006 cemetery case that followed her home until removed with help from Native elder spirits.

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    Disclaimers:

    • This podcast is for informational or entertainment purposes only and should not be considered professional or medical advice. The content is general and accuracy is not guaranteed. Listeners are responsible for how they use the information.
    • The hosts are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.
    • This podcast content is protected by copyright and unauthorized use is prohibited.

    00:00 Spiritual Attachments Intro

    01:42 Balancing Two Worlds

    03:13 Episode Roadmap

    05:00 Defining Attachments

    07:41 Residual Energy Explained

    09:58 Ancestors and Spirit Guides

    15:53 Earthbound Spirits

    20:12 Nonhuman Entities Debate

    22:32 How Attachments Form

    25:44 Para History Across Cultures

    27:54 Case Study Heavy Presence

    33:29 Investigating With Care

    37:25 Clinging Woman Case

    38:56 Healing Through Visualization

    40:01 Dark Mist PTSD Case

    43:17 Caretaker Burden Apparition

    45:13 Pamela Hospital Attachment

    53:55 Cemetery Voodoo Entity

    01:00:50 Native Elders Break Attachment

    01:05:01 Final Takeaways and Wrap

    1 hr 6 min
  • Episode 36 - Cryptid Files - Dopplegangers

    In this episode, Christy and Kathy launch their “Cryptid Files” series by tackling the doppelganger phenomenon, defining it as an unexplained double of a living person rather than a simple lookalike. They debate whether doppelgangers are spiritual entities, warnings, and death omens, or whether they can be explained through neuropsychology, perception errors in peripheral vision, stress, illness, sleep deprivation, medication effects, and temporal-lobe-related hallucinations. Drawing on paranormal investigation experiences, they contrast doppelganger reports with residual and intelligent hauntings. The episode reviews historical and literary cases. They also discuss modern “doppelgangers” captured on security cameras and video calls, emphasizing technology glitches, and the role of fear and folklore.

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    • This podcast is for informational or entertainment purposes only and should not be considered professional or medical advice. The content is general and accuracy is not guaranteed. Listeners are responsible for how they use the information.
    • The hosts are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.
    • This podcast content is protected by copyright and unauthorized use is prohibited.

    00:00 Welcome to Cryptid Files

    01:58 Cryptids vs. Reality

    03:04 A Shadow in the Laundry Room

    04:57 Residual Energy vs. True Doppelgänger Activity (and the Hotel Case)

    08:03 Can Spirits Mimic Us?

    11:41 Brain Science Angle: Stress, Sleep Deprivation, Seizures & Hallucinations

    13:01 Case #1 Goethe

    19:37 Case #2 Queen Elizabeth I

    24:27 Case #3 Catherine the Great

    28:05 Catherine the Great’s Throne Doppelgänger

    28:42 Death Omens & Rational Explanations

    29:36 Percy Bysshe Shelley’s Silent Double

    33:02 The French Author Who ‘Co-Wrote’ with His Doppelgänger

    35:42 Emily Sagée at the Boarding School

    40:54 Trench Doppelgängers of WWI

    45:23 Modern ‘Doppelgängers’ on Cameras & Zoom

    48:15 Wrap-Up: Takes, Listener Stories, and What’s Next

    52 min
  • Episode 35 - Case Files - The Poncan Theater - Part 2

    In this episode of the Psychic and the Skeptic, the hosts continue their exploration of Poncan Theater in Ponca City, Oklahoma, They share updates from their latest investigation, revealing new EVPs and unexplained occurrences. This episode features an investigation with their paranormal investigative team, OKPRI. They discuss the impact of a charged atmosphere, various psychic impressions, and mysterious knocks recorded during their overnight stay. The conversation reveals their process, the emotions tied to the theater, and the importance of preserving historical landmarks.

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    Disclaimers:

    • This podcast is for informational or entertainment purposes only and should not be considered professional or medical advice. The content is general and accuracy is not guaranteed. Listeners are responsible for how they use the information.
    • The hosts are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.
    • This podcast content is protected by copyright and unauthorized use is prohibited.

    00:00 Introduction and Recap

    01:08 Historical Background of the Poncan Theater

    02:14 Paranormal Incidents and Investigations

    04:32 EVP Evidence and Analysis

    06:12 Setting Up for the Night Investigation

    08:42 More EVP Findings

    11:18 Theories and Skepticism

    21:06 Thoughts and Reflections

    29:44 Questioning the Audio Evidence

    30:28 Analyzing the EVP Clip

    31:37 Setting Up Camp for the Night

    32:07 A Mysterious Voice: Stop Whining

    34:27 Late Night Investigation

    37:24 The Estes Session Explained

    42:16 Knocking Sounds at 5 AM

    47:10 Psychic Impressions and Spirit Encounters

    55:12 Historical Significance and Preservation

    56:46 Conclusion and Call to Action

    58 min
  • Episode 34 - Case Files - The Poncan Theater - Part 1

    In this episode, the Psychic and the Skeptic revisit their paranormal investigation at the Poncan Theater in Ponca City, Oklahoma. They delve into the theater's rich history, from its construction in 1927 during the Roaring Twenties to its unique architectural features. The hosts recount various paranormal experiences, including EVPs, mysterious voices, and unexplained movements of equipment. They explore the impact of thunderstorms on their investigation and discuss the potential spirits haunting the venue. The episode concludes with plans for a follow-up investigation to further uncover the theater's mysteries.

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    • This podcast is for informational or entertainment purposes only and should not be considered professional or medical advice. The content is general and accuracy is not guaranteed. Listeners are responsible for how they use the information.
    • The hosts are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.
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    00:00 Introduction to the Paranormal Investigation

    01:03 First Investigation at the Poncan Theater

    03:08 Historical Background of the Poncan Theater

    06:58 Notable Events and Figures in Theater's History

    21:46 Paranormal Experiences and Evidence

    30:44 Analyzing the EVP Recording

    32:13 The Mysterious Cat Ball Incident

    33:32 Debating Paranormal Evidence

    35:31 Exploring the Theater with EMF Detectors

    40:06 Unexpected Laser Grid Movement

    57:02 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

    1 hr 1 min
  • Episode 33 - Listener Readings by Christy - Part 3

    In this episode, Christy and Kathy continue their series of listener readings. Christy, the psychic, provides an emotional and insightful reading for a listener named Janna. Through the session, Christy connects with Janna's deceased loved ones, delivering messages of healing and guidance. Kathy, the open skeptic, analyzes the reading's accuracy and significance. The episode highlights the psychic's role in offering closure and spiritual support, while also showcasing the skeptic’s perspective. The conversation dives deep into themes of family, trauma, and healing, making it a compelling listen for anyone interested in psychic readings and emotional journeys.

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    Disclaimers:

    • This podcast is for informational or entertainment purposes only and should not be considered professional or medical advice. The content is general and accuracy is not guaranteed. Listeners are responsible for how they use the information.
    • The hosts are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.
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    00:00 Introduction and Listener Feedback

    02:38 Upcoming Events and Readings

    04:21 Unique Perspective of the Podcast

    08:52 Starting Janna's Reading

    09:21 Messages from the Other Side

    20:25 Grandfather's Guidance

    21:42 Emotional Validation

    28:10 Mother's Presence and Final Messages

    31:52 Unspoken Grief and Family Secrets

    32:50 Struggles with Stepmother and Childhood Trauma

    34:19 Connecting with Mom's Spirit

    37:37 Emotional Healing and Moving Forward

    43:11 The Importance of Positive Childhood Experiences

    47:19 Final Thoughts and Reflections

    1 hr 2 min
  • Episode 32 - Listener Readings by Christy - Part 2

    In this episode, Christy and Kathy continue their series featuring live readings for podcast listeners. Christie offers detailed insights to Shiloh, a listener, on her career and personal challenges. The session uncovers EVPs (Electronic Voice Phenomena), which Christie and Kathy analyze and discuss. The episode provides a deep dive into the dynamics of psychic readings and the potential involvement of spirits. It also highlights the ongoing debate between the psychic and the skeptic, ensuring an engaging and thought-provoking listen.

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    Disclaimers:

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    00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

    00:43 Recap of Previous Readings

    01:18 Discussion on EVPs and Paranormal Evidence

    05:34 Starting the Listener's Reading

    05:51 Career Insights and Predictions

    07:40 Analyzing Potential EVPs

    13:44 Further Career Guidance

    21:00 Connecting with a Loved One in Spirit

    23:33 Addressing Concerns About a Struggling Son

    24:40 Revelations About a Reclusive Brother

    25:49 Analyzing Potential EVP Evidence

    28:08 Guidance from the Other Side

    34:43 The Significance of Repeated Numbers

    40:09 Dream Visitations and Their Meanings

    43:00 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

    48 min

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