Another day, another breach. Organisations are still being hacked by malicious counterparts everyday, and the reason they're always a step ahead is not only gender diversity but a skills diversity as well - meanwhile we're still relying on our IT departments to handle cyber breaches that they simply weren't trained for. Ex-Hacker Bastien Treptel is joined by Educational Psychologist and Cyber Security expert Jo Stewart-Rattray, to discuss the psychology behind hackers. 

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