We talk with Sam's wife about healthcare, the hospital industrial complex, the importance of asking for help, planning, and preparing for birthing, and how things have changes since the COVID shut us down.

We have a sprawling conversation with Dan Honig, who helps us understand what's happening in West Africa and at his temporary Comfy COVID Country Cottage in Madison, Virginia. What does it take to not only make space for bureaucrats to want to rock the boat for the sake of the people, but to also reform and reimagine institution that keep the boat headed on the right course: justice.

Abram and Sam chat about two stories of folks who Rocked the Boat and fell out. Who went 'all in' to use a phrase from the Texas Hold-em fad, and lost their job in order to better serve the people that were counting on them.

S1:E12--Janelle Scott, UC Berkeley by Abram Guerra and Sam Rosaldo

We talk with Harlem educator Ruben Brosbe, on Twitter @brosbe, about the impact of the pandemic, remote learning, tired pedagogies of test prep and 'business as usual,' and the real work of holding space with communities striving to learn and grow together.

Sam and Abram share media (books, articles, music) that has been giving them life over the last few weeks. Happy Friday!

Dr. Rebecca Tarlou shares with us how life has changed for her at Penn State, how she is working locally to organize her neighbors to respond to the crisis, and what we might reimagine in our education and social systems given the current disruption.

We hear from David Kirkland (@davidekirkland), who leads a community of education justice innovators and movement builders at NYU's "Metro Center" (@metronyu): The Metropolitan Center for Research on Equity and the Transformation of Schools.

S2:E7--Brian Salter, Seattle by Abram Guerra and Sam Rosaldo

We talk with Jaekun Cho in Seoul about living day by day through the coronavirus pandemic. We appreciated Jaekun's willingness to share his reflections, and how he is understanding his part in the interconnected global whole.